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I looked for a thread on this (thought I saw one a couple months ago), but couldn't find it. The face shield on my Bionic Shield is pretty gicky, so I did a quick Amazon search. Have my eye on this Nova kit but wondering what you use for general cleaning (Novus kit has scratch repair also). If you know where the old thread is, you can just link me to it.
 

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Goo-Gone, Simple Green (the lemon scented one that isn't green despite the name), and Go-Jo (not the one with pumice) are what I use. Use the Simple (Yellow) Green after using either of the others in order to remove greasy residue. A microfiber cloth can be useful. There are cleaning kits for LCD TVs and computer monitors. Stay away from glass cleaners like Windex. There are restoration kits for polycarbonate which is same as Micromesh. That is a lot of money and elbow grease, but for less money you can get a couple replacement visors.
 
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Page 9, post #90, AAW How-Tos, Tips, and Techniques forum, click here:

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I've been using Novus #1 and #2 for a long time, and am very satisfied with my results for major clean-up and scratch removal.

For minor clean-up, regular eyeglass cleaner and a cotton cloth.

Both are made specifically for plastic, and are safe to use.

Products like Windex are not good for plastics, because of the ammonia content.

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Soap (dish detergent) & water then Meguiar's Plastx (available at Walmart and many other places in the auto care section)
 
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I use soap and water bare hand to wash the clear plastic that is removed from frame. Then dry off with old bath towel.
 

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I forgot to mention using overlay sheets that are available for the 3M Airstream, BreatheEasy, and Versaflo. They are low cost and disposable. I believe that the sheets are polycarbonate since they are very durable. They could be used with other faceshields by trimming the corners where they protrude past the edge. I usually add tape around the edges to heed dust from getting between the visor and overlay sheet.
 

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-:). I always do what the dust tells me to do too :)

I have a lifetime of practice ignoring dust. I only listen to shavings.

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... and, I have a smart *** iPad that thinks it knows what I want to type (but, I'll admit that "heed" is funnier than "keep").

So, you guys think that I should listen to what the dust says or just ignore all of "their" advice? Should I even admit conversing with wood dust?
 
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Goo-Gone, Simple Green (the lemon scented one that isn't green despite the name), and Go-Jo (not the one with pumice) are what I use. Use the Simple (Yellow) Green after using either of the others in order to remove greasy residue. A microfiber cloth can be useful. There are cleaning kits for LCD TVs and computer monitors. Stay away from glass cleaners like Windex. There are restoration kits for polycarbonate which is same as Micromesh. That is a lot of money and elbow grease, but for less money you can get a couple replacement visors.

Hmmmm, I'm kinda surprised you use Simple Green (either green or yellow), as it's an extremely alkaline solution (pH 8.5-9.5), which is why it cleans so well. My impression is that's not healthy for the plastic. You haven't had any problems, though, sounds like. I found this article about cleaning motorcycle windscreens and face shields, figured it would be a start on info. I didn't know Go-Jo has a product without pumice -- what's it called?
 
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Page 9, post #90, AAW How-Tos, Tips, and Techniques forum, click here:

http://www.aawforum.org/vbforum/sho...shop-and-quot-evolving-shop-quot-photos/page9

I've been using Novus #1 and #2 for a long time, and am very satisfied with my results for major clean-up and scratch removal.

For minor clean-up, regular eyeglass cleaner and a cotton cloth.

Both are made specifically for plastic, and are safe to use.

Products like Windex are not good for plastics, because of the ammonia content.

ko

Thanks for the link, I'll keep it bookmarked. I think one thing that really gicks up the shield is wet shavings. Makes shield sticky.:( I succumbed to temptation and used Simple Green on it a couple of times, perhaps a bad idea. I'll try refurbishing it, get a new one if need be.
 
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I forgot to mention using overlay sheets that are available for the 3M Airstream, BreatheEasy, and Versaflo. They are low cost and disposable. I believe that the sheets are polycarbonate since they are very durable. They could be used with other faceshields by trimming the corners where they protrude past the edge. I usually add tape around the edges to heed dust from getting between the visor and overlay sheet.

Those sound like a great solution once I get this one fixed or buy a new replacement. Thanks!
 

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Hmmmm, I'm kinda surprised you use Simple Green (either green or yellow), as it's an extremely alkaline solution (pH 8.5-9.5), which is why it cleans so well. My impression is that's not healthy for the plastic. You haven't had any problems, though, sounds like. I found this article about cleaning motorcycle windscreens and face shields, figured it would be a start on info. I didn't know Go-Jo has a product without pumice -- what's it called?

Thanks for the link, Jamie.......

Another thing that may be of interest is motorcycle windshield bug remover. I got some at the Harley Davidson dealer and use it often for dried bugs on my MC windshield. I do have to admit that I've never use, or don't recall ever having used this stuff on my face shield, because the eyeglass cleaner and Novus products have always worked for me. If I had some really stubborn sticky residue, I might resort to that......anyone else try this stuff on their face shield? I usually spray it on the bugs and spread it around with my hand to loosen up the dried bugs.....then wipe with a cotton cloth. It does a great job for that, and I'd imagine it would be just as good for stubborn residue on face shields, too.

I'd be willing to bet you can get the bug remover at Walmart, as long as you are going there anyway........

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Hmmmm, I'm kinda surprised you use Simple Green (either green or yellow), as it's an extremely alkaline solution (pH 8.5-9.5), which is why it cleans so well. My impression is that's not healthy for the plastic. You haven't had any problems, though, sounds like. I found this article about cleaning motorcycle windscreens and face shields, figured it would be a start on info. I didn't know Go-Jo has a product without pumice -- what's it called?

One thing that's a bit confusing to me, is the article suggests cleaners with ammonia for polycarbonate. Look, I'm no chemical engineer, but a simple layman about these things.......but, my ophthalmologist told me to never use cleaners with ammonia on plastic lenses. I took her word for it on that, and have never used Windex for the better part of this century, anyway! :rolleyes:

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One thing that's a bit confusing to me, is the article suggests cleaners with ammonia for polycarbonate. Look, I'm no chemical engineer, but a simple layman about these things.......but, my ophthalmologist told me to never use cleaners with ammonia on plastic lenses. I took her word for it on that, and have never used Windex for the better part of this century, anyway! :rolleyes:

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I overheard the eye tech people talking about this awhile back. There's an optional coating that some (perhaps most) people have on their eyeglasses that the ammonia (even a tiny little drop of Windex, etc.) ruins. If they're not busy tomorrow when I go in (already had a trip planned), I'll ask them about specifically what it is. I stay away from ammonia, except for windows, figure there are no worries that way.
 
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I forgot to mention using overlay sheets that are available for the 3M Airstream, BreatheEasy, and Versaflo. They are low cost and disposable. I believe that the sheets are polycarbonate since they are very durable. They could be used with other faceshields by trimming the corners where they protrude past the edge. I usually add tape around the edges to heed dust from getting between the visor and overlay sheet.

I use the overlay for the Trend Pro and have no problem with dust getting overlay and shield. Also the overlay can be cleaned just as the shield till so much CA or other contaminants make it worthless.
 
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I overheard the eye tech people talking about this awhile back. There's an optional coating that some (perhaps most) people have on their eyeglasses that the ammonia (even a tiny little drop of Windex, etc.) ruins. If they're not busy tomorrow when I go in (already had a trip planned), I'll ask them about specifically what it is. I stay away from ammonia, except for windows, figure there are no worries that way.

This is either the antisratch coating or another one that reduces fogging and gives clearer vision. Not these are expensive and are not likely to be on any visors that we would buy unless we go th the moon ( NASA).
 

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Hmmmm, I'm kinda surprised you use Simple Green (either green or yellow), as it's an extremely alkaline solution (pH 8.5-9.5), which is why it cleans so well. My impression is that's not healthy for the plastic. You haven't had any problems, though, sounds like. I found this article about cleaning motorcycle windscreens and face shields, figured it would be a start on info. I didn't know Go-Jo has a product without pumice -- what's it called?

Do these products come in a plastic container? Do the products cause the containers to deteriorate? Undiluted Simple Green is a bit strong for some types of paint, but polyurethane paint which is used a lot in automotive paint these days is fairly impervious to acidic and alkaline liquids. The plastic that is used in face shields is polycarbonate which is a very tough material although most types of plastic containers are satisfactory for cleaners like Simple Green.

A pH of 8.5 - 9.5 is not a big deal. With my GERD, I suspect my stomach acid has a pH around 2.0. :rolleyes: Also, I'll bet that lye soap (which I also use for heavy duty hand cleaning) has a higher pH than Simple Green especially when the mixture ratio of fat and lye for complete saponification leaves some residual lye. I have been buying lye soap from a lady in Abilene, Texas and her soap is usually pretty mild compared to what my grandpa made.

The GoJo without pumice is called "GOJO[SUP]®[/SUP] Crème Hand Cleaner". There is also "GOJO[SUP]®[/SUP] ORIGINAL FORMULA™ Hand Cleaner" which doesn't contain pumice. My favorite one without pumice is "GOJO[SUP]®[/SUP] NATURAL* ORANGE™ Smooth Hand Cleaner", but my local hardware store stopped carrying it. There at least a couple versions with pumice: "GOJO[SUP]®[/SUP] NATURAL* ORANGE™ Pumice Hand Cleaner" and "GOJO[SUP]®[/SUP] Fine Italian Pumice Hand Cleaner" if you want to get fancy. I think that it is the same as the old regular stuff with pumice with a little marketing poop added. I noticed that there are also some new designer GoJo fragrances such as Lemon and Cherry Jel.

I don't like the stuff with pumice because it give me alligator skin and feels like I used sandpaper to clean my hands. The plain GoJo is bad enough about drawing the moisture out of my skin, but I follow it with something like Palmolive detergent or Soft-Soap hand soap. I have used Simple Green to clean my hands on a few occasions, but I don't recommend it.

EDIT: Don't use the stuff with pumice to clean your face shield. It will do a great job of removing all the goo, but you still won't be able to see through it.
 
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Bill, all I know is everywhere I look, instructions are to not use highly alkaline cleaners on polycarbonate face shields or other "see-through" things (for instance, Lexan Polycarbonate cleaning instructions.) If you're having good results, more power to ya! I suspect that a container "standing up to" alkaline solution may be, in the manufacturers' eyes, different than staying very clear for see-through applications.

Thanks for giving me the name of the GoJo non-pumice hand cleaners. I had gone to their web site, but they have so many products, I didn't take the time to slog through them to find it. Pretty much a no-brainer (I would hope!) to not use pumice on one's face shield.:eek: I'm interested in trying the Novus kit that has the scratch repair in it on a couple pair of fairly expensive reading glasses to see if they can be revived. Then I'll try it on my face shield if it's needed.
 

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This is either the antisratch coating or another one that reduces fogging and gives clearer vision. Not these are expensive and are not likely to be on any visors that we would buy unless we go th the moon ( NASA).

Hmmmm ... I wonder if I could wear my Airstream if I get to go to the moon? :rolleyes:

I'm sure that you are right about most faceshields, but 3M does offer polycarbonate shields with anti-fog / anti-scratch coatings for their PAPR units. Currently I have one of the plain polycarbonate shields installed, but I recently bought two spares that are the coated type. I may need to change my cleaning method when it's time to change shields.

Even though polycarbonate (Lexan) is extremely impact resistant, its scratch resistance isn't as good as some other plastics including plexiglass (Lucite). Plexiglass has slightly better optical properties. How to tell the difference between the two ... The easiest way if you have a sheet is that light pipes through the edges of plexiglass, but not polycarbonate. BTW, scratches can be buffed out of plexiglass, but they can't be buffed out of polycarbonate. So, don't use Novus 2 on your polycarbonate face shield because it will just add finer scratches to existing scratches. Novus 1 might possibly help because it basically hides fine scratches by filling them in with polish, but it doesn't remove the scratches left by Novus 2.

BTW, Jamie, because of the low scratch resistance of polycarbonate, care must be exercised in cleaning. Going after a mixture of sap and gritty dust by scrubbing with a wash cloth is only going to make things worse, but don't blame the cleanser when the cloth is grinding grit into the plastic. I let things soak and then see if Running water will flush away the crud. If not, I try the soak again and at most will gently wipe the surface with my fingers while holding the faceshield under running water. Goo-Gone will generally take care of any sticky stuff and then Simple Green or Palmolive will get rid of the Goo-Gone.
 
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Spray well with 409.
Hose off with clean water.
Set it down and let it dry.

My water goes through a cation exchange deionizer so it doesn't leave spots, but you could just use cheap distilled water.
 
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mystery spots, Dawn didn't impress them!

Reading this thread got me to feeling like my face shield could use a better cleaning so I took the anti-fog lens out of my Darth Vader rig and washed it. Had some oily looking spots bugging me so after a good rinsing with water I hit it very gently with a Dawn dish liquid/water solution, usually cleans things. Didn't impress these spots at all. I don't know what they are, either finish or tree sap at a guess. Not directly in the line of sight but I may have to consider a new shield soon.

The very first thing I always do when cleaning glass or plastic I have to try to see through is a good thorough rinsing to try to float any grit and dust off instead of grinding it in wiping or washing. After that I keep upgrading until the lens is clean enough or I am doing more harm than good. Wire wheels and leaded gas have both proven to be poor choices to clean with in the past. Bead blasting didn't work either.

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I'm wondering how flat the plastic is

You always have a good idea to contemplate.

:) What grit did you try?

I have some extra fine glass beads 370 grit.

Should get the big glop off. :)

I could etch a Gator in the shield while I'm at it....



Al,

This stuff on the plastic is annoying, more-so after I cleaned off the other dirt and dust. I'm wondering how flat the plastic is. I have a few pieces of glass laying around. I'm thinking I may try cleaning glass and plastic both and then laying the plastic on the glass and try shaving whatever is on it off with a well honed wood chisel. Been a long time since I took something to a true mirror finish. It was a two inch round disk and took me most of a morning. I have four inches of rain predicted in two days starting tomorrow. I may bring the face shield inside to work on while watching it rain. I predict it will be clean or a new shield on order before the rain stops!

A friend that had running horses had a large horse and jockey custom etched into the back glass of his pick-up truck. Never was sure how legal that was but it sure looked good! Years later a similar decal to imitate etching became available but all were exactly the same. Roland's was his horse and jockey.

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It shouldn't ever be necessary to get any more aggressive than a brass bristle brush ... steel is just too rough on plastic. I think that mesquite borer juice is the same stuff from which polycarbonate plastic is made.

Hu, I'm sending the rain to you early. It's not that I'm tired of the rain, but stainless steel ways notwithstanding I can't get into my naturally occurring roofless open-air studio to do any turning. What does that have to do with face shields? Well rain on the outside and fogging on the inside and I would have to file an IFR flight plan to do any turning ... and I'm not qualified to turn on instruments. I'm strictly a VFR turner. It has been a heavy rain all day and night for two days ... And, yes, I know that is nothing compared to some places ... I grew up in Houston where forty days and nights of rain would be considered an average sprinkle. I suspect that the same could be said for New Orleans.
 
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Think I can hear Johnny Cash warming up now . . .

It shouldn't ever be necessary to get any more aggressive than a brass bristle brush ... steel is just too rough on plastic. I think that mesquite borer juice is the same stuff from which polycarbonate plastic is made.

Hu, I'm sending the rain to you early. It's not that I'm tired of the rain, but stainless steel ways notwithstanding I can't get into my naturally occurring roofless open-air studio to do any turning. What does that have to do with face shields? Well rain on the outside and fogging on the inside and I would have to file an IFR flight plan to do any turning ... and I'm not qualified to turn on instruments. I'm strictly a VFR turner. It has been a heavy rain all day and night for two days ... And, yes, I know that is nothing compared to some places ... I grew up in Houston where forty days and nights of rain would be considered an average sprinkle. I suspect that the same could be said for New Orleans.


Bill,

Looks like you are right about the rain. I took a look at the sky leaving the barn a few minutes ago and opened up the drive through gate so I can drive back there to shut down if I need to. Tryiing to turn a piece of oak and getting frustrated. There is something hidden in that big block of half rotted oak and I can't seem to find it. Turned a smaller piece of the same stuff and it came out OK, not great, not bad. Seemed on the edge of something nice a few times but seemed on the edge of the burn pile just as often. I may have to quit turning for awhile if this rain doesn't cancel the statewide burn ban, my "almost bowls" stack up pretty fast! I'm resting two hours then I may quit for the day.

I don't know if you have noticed, I have moved out of a corner of your shop and into an old dairy barn. It keeps out most of the rain most of the time. The roof blows off a few times a year and I have to hammer it back down. Running out of places to put nails or screws.

We have been known to get a little rain down here as you suspect. The most I remember without a named storm was over nine inches in less than three hours. The local weatherman had predicted scattered showers. Fortunately he had an explanation: "The Good Lord wanted it to rain and it rained."

To finish off this long rambling post, I'm in mourning and shouldn't be trying to turn anyway. Just heard that Maureen O'Hara died.

Hu

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Al, This stuff on the plastic is annoying, more-so after I cleaned off the other dirt and dust. I'm wondering how flat the plastic is. I have a few pieces of glass laying around. I'm thinking I may try cleaning glass and plastic both and then laying the plastic on the glass and try shaving whatever is on it off with a well honed wood chisel. Been a long time since I took something to a true mirror finish. It was a two inch round disk and took me most of a morning. I have four inches of rain predicted in two days starting tomorrow. I may bring the face shield inside to work on while watching it rain. I predict it will be clean or a new shield on order before the rain stops! A friend that had running horses had a large horse and jockey custom etched into the back glass of his pick-up truck. Never was sure how legal that was but it sure looked good! Years later a similar decal to imitate etching became available but all were exactly the same. Roland's was his horse and jockey. Hu

Hu,
I use the plastic overlays - peel off the old one put a new one - done.
Be aware cutting and polishing the surface of the plastic will reduce its strength.
It needs to be a labor of love. Don't think I could love any plastic that much.
I understand for you it may be the challenge of the quest more than the goal.

I can cut a decal ( adhesive vinyl) from a photo so it won't look like anyone else's but you might not recognize it as the photo either.
Silhouettes I can do justice to.

Al
 
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As long as we're off-topic (which is fine with me!)

It's is so much fun to have people from other states complaining about rain, when it's been partly cloudy here, 9 miles from Seattle, in the middle of Puget Sound. We'll get a little rain tomorrow, but nothing like Texas is getting!

All my turning has been put on hold whilst I suffer through a whole bunch of Pellet Stove Drama. Said drama should (please, please, please!) come to an end tomorrow when we install the one that's hanging from the engine hoist right now. (Well, not really hanging -- it's hooked to it, after being unloaded from the truck, but is touching the ground.) I committed to buying one 3 weeks ago to replace a very old one. Took an entire day to drive far away, pick it up, bring it home last week. Bad decision, pipe needed to be 6" and contrary to my plan, absolutely not a good idea to reduce to 3" (which is what's installed in the shop) Hubby unhappy. So, Thursday I found another one, real close to home, that is more modern, using 3" pipe. We will plop it in place tomorrow with the help of a strapping young man and a hubby-made industrial strength dolly. By tomorrow night, the shop should be warm, cozy and dry! Anyone around here need a pellet stove? I now have 2 for sale.:rolleyes:

Face shields: I checked out the Plastx at Walmart, but I think I'll get the Nova kit instead. Forgot to look for the bug remover, but I heard years ago that CocaCola works well for that (on cars).:p
 
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There is a relatively new plastic with properties that are very similar to polycarbonate called Trivex that was developed by PPG for the military and is now being used for eyeglasses. In my searching the web, I haven't found it available in sheets where it could be used for other purposes. Trivex has some properties that make it superior to polycarbonate because it doesn't have some of the problems found in polycarbonate such as not having internal stresses that can cause spider cracks at stress points like drilled holes or birefringence resulting when a sheet of polycarbonate is deformed by external force for an extended period (e.g., when used for a face shield it is bent into a curve by the frame of the shield). Trivex is ideal for lenses because of its superior optical clarity (higher transmittance) and because chromatic aberration (due to light dispersion) is much less than it is for polycarbonate.

My glasses are polycarbonate and the chromatic aberration (CA) really bothered me for many months. CA is the optical distortion that causes one side of high contrast edges to be blue and the other side to be red. I experienced birefringence problems on my Airstream helmet as a result of using an "aftermarket" visor. The substitute visor was too thick and didn't want to bend to fit the frame without a lot of force.

The scratch resistance is about the same as polycarbonate which is lower than other plastics.
 
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It's is so much fun to have people from other states complaining about rain, when it's been partly cloudy here, 9 miles from Seattle, in the middle of Puget Sound. We'll get a little rain tomorrow, but nothing like Texas is getting!

All my turning has been put on hold whilst I suffer through a whole bunch of Pellet Stove Drama. Said drama should (please, please, please!) come to an end tomorrow when we install the one that's hanging from the engine hoist right now. (Well, not really hanging -- it's hooked to it, after being unloaded from the truck, but is touching the ground.) I committed to buying one 3 weeks ago to replace a very old one. Took an entire day to drive far away, pick it up, bring it home last week. Bad decision, pipe needed to be 6" and contrary to my plan, absolutely not a good idea to reduce to 3" (which is what's installed in the shop) Hubby unhappy. So, Thursday I found another one, real close to home, that is more modern, using 3" pipe. We will plop it in place tomorrow with the help of a strapping young man and a hubby-made industrial strength dolly. By tomorrow night, the shop should be warm, cozy and dry! Anyone around here need a pellet stove? I now have 2 for sale.:rolleyes:

Face shields: I checked out the Plastx at Walmart, but I think I'll get the Nova kit instead. Forgot to look for the bug remover, but I heard years ago that CocaCola works well for that (on cars).:p




Jamie,

I forgot about coke! Years ago when the love bugs first appeared in quantity a car pulled in to our service station covered with them including the windshield. The passenger jumped out, grabbed a coke, and splashed it on the windshield. He cleared about a one foot circle in front of the passenger's seat. He said he wanted to see what they hit next time! No idea if he was serious but they went on their merry way with the driver as blind as ever.

Pretty sure that the bite in coke aside from carbonation is citric acid. That is what makes it cut bugs and road film I believe. I still use one once in awhile when I have a nasty film on glass.

If there wasn't half a country between us a pellet stove might be of some interest. Price of pellets it can be cheaper to feed one corn if it will run on it.


A note to everyone, not sure how much rain I got, a station up the road maybe fifty-sixty miles as the crow flies reported over eight and a half inches yesterday. Considering that the rain started before midnight and it's still got more to come that's a fair amount of rain. Flash flood warnings for river's and creeks. We have lost a bridge on my main way out in the past but I don't think it is an issue. Also, unlike further south, I have multiple ways out so I can always take another route and I'm high and dry. Too dry, got to go on a grocery run in a bit! Debating the wisdom of putting another coat of finish on a couple bowls. The air is soggy, probably just begging for it to blush. Slacked up for a bit, guess I'll go make sure my lathe is dry. A big limb is down in my front yard too, not sure if it is what I heard bouncing on my house roof or not. Life in the not so fast lane!

Hu
 

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It's is so much fun to have people from other states complaining about rain, when it's been partly cloudy here, 9 miles from Seattle, in the middle of Puget Sound. We'll get a little rain tomorrow, but nothing like Texas is getting!

It wasn't so funny here where flooding has caused a lot of damage, some people saved from drowning, and several who died. I checked the rain gauge this morning and was surprised to see that we had 10.0 inches at the house ... a small amount compared to some other areas.
 

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It wasn't so funny here where flooding has caused a lot of damage, some people saved from drowning, and several who died. I checked the rain gauge this morning and was surprised to see that we had 10.0 inches at the house ... a small amount compared to some other areas.

10" is a lot of rain anywhere. We get some video in the news of the flooding and rescues. Glad you are safe.

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It wasn't so funny here where flooding has caused a lot of damage, some people saved from drowning, and several who died. I checked the rain gauge this morning and was surprised to see that we had 10.0 inches at the house ... a small amount compared to some other areas.

I had no idea you were in that kind of danger, my comments weren't meant to make light of any impending disasters.
 
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Jamie,

[Snip]If there wasn't half a country between us a pellet stove might be of some interest. Price of pellets it can be cheaper to feed one corn if it will run on it.

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Our choices are electricity, propane or heating oil, all seemingly more expensive than pellets. I don't know if they sell corn for burning around here. I've seen stoves that were listed for burning both pellets and corn, no idea how all that works! I guess I could go to a feed store and see what they have, LOL.
 
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