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2 Part Walking Sticks / Pool Cues

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I have been turning since I awoke from a 3 Month Coma in 2003 and learned they took my leg and I had had a Stroke while "Napping" in ICU at a Boston Teaching Hospital. I could not find any nice canes so I taught myself how to use a Lathe and make canes of Exotic Woods. I am on EBAY as:
TheCaneGent​
Unfortunately I bought too many pieces of 18" stock and am having a devil of a time getting them to JOIN properly. I have used the Brass Joins; sunk a threaded rod into each half and then tried to turn them-they wobble and blow out. I have face glued the ends after truing with a planer-no luck. Even pinned, they break loose.

How do PoolCue folks get the 2 pieces to line up EXACTLY at 90 degrees? Any HELP/IDEAS/REFERENCE is Greatly appreciated !!!
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Jim Fay
Norfolk, MA 02056
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James

I started turning as a result of starting to carve canes after I destroyed my knee and needed to use a ane for about 6 months.

I haven't made a cane you could disassemble and re-assemble like the pool cue example but I have made multiple piece canes. To do so I would square teh end of the pieces as best as possible, drill a 3/8 hole as square as possible into one piece, glue in a dowel. In the other piece drill a 1/2 hole as square as possible. Using a gap filling epoxy join the two pieces. The slop in the larger hole allows you to correct for the error in your drilling.

I suspect this method would work with the threaded joint hardware to, I just haven't tried it.

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James, have you tried drilling the holes in the end of the blanks before you turned them? Use a cone center when you mount them on the lathe.
 
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do anybody make a drill jig for two-piece cane that will guarantee the holes being straight and on center

They can be bored on cylinders or square stock using your drillpress, a corner jig, and clamps. Put the table all the way to the floor if you have to, or rotate the head to give the required distance. http://woodgears.ca/shop-tricks/drilling-big.html

You can also make a jig that uses your lathe as a line-boring machine by effectively raising the bed to the proper distance above centerline and referencing L-R with the head and tail.

Only as good as your patience in preparation, though.
 
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I have been turning since I awoke from a 3 Month Coma in 2003 and learned they took my leg and I had had a Stroke while "Napping" in ICU at a Boston Teaching Hospital. I could not find any nice canes so I taught myself how to use a Lathe and make canes of Exotic Woods. I am on EBAY as:
TheCaneGent​
Unfortunately I bought too many pieces of 18" stock and am having a devil of a time getting them to JOIN properly. I have used the Brass Joins; sunk a threaded rod into each half and then tried to turn them-they wobble and blow out. I have face glued the ends after truing with a planer-no luck. Even pinned, they break loose.

How do PoolCue folks get the 2 pieces to line up EXACTLY at 90 degrees? Any HELP/IDEAS/REFERENCE is Greatly appreciated !!!
Thanks,
Jim Fay
Norfolk, MA 02056
JAMESLFAY@VERIZON.NET

James, what is your source for the brass hardware?
 
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James, have you tried drilling the holes in the end of the blanks before you turned them? Use a cone center when you mount them on the lathe.

Yes,
I have tried this. The whole thing is if you are off by 3 Degrees-ALL of your work looks Like Shoemakers did it.
 
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James, I often need a cane. Your alignment problem has grabbed my attention. I'm going to look at the Lee Valley internet site for the hardware and try making a cane for myself.

I think the solution lies in predrilling, as I suggested, but in way that MM suggests. We'll see.
 
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I make some stuff on mandrels and threaded rod sucks for this purpose. It's too flexible for the diameter and rarely truly straight. You might want to retry it with a piece of drill rod in 3/8" to 1/2".
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Here is what I am trying to install into 2 pieces of 18" Exotic Wood. They are Brass "Joins". WHAT I am trying to do is create a "Turnable" 36 Inch wood blank-either by joining using the "Joins". Or inserting threaded rod(Probably 5/16")as larger diameter would more than likely weaken the stock. I tried wooden dowels but soon learned that the torque was too powerful when turning the Lathe.

The MAJOR PROBLEM is one of alignment-each piece must be exactly 90 Degress square and each hole must be sunk perpendicular to the join face. I have tried all sorts of methods-using the Lathe Tailstock with a chuck and bit(Usually the Lathe spins the spur or toothed M2 Drive.

It just cannot be all that hard............

I took some photos but I do not know how to upload them.
 
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I made a 2 piece walking stick for my father-in-law using hardware from either Rockler or Packard out of a 2.5"X2.5"X8' piece of maple. First I cut the pieces to length and roughed them to round. Then I trued up the ends with a skew and cut a tenon on each piece opposite the end where the join would be. The tenon was so I could hold the pieces in a chuck. Then I got out the homemade steady rest and drilled the holes for the hardware with the drill in the tailstock. I installed the hardware with epoxy. I put rubber tubing over the male part of the joining hardware so that I could hold that end in the chuck for turning with the steady rest. I used the tenon I had turned on the piece with the female part of the join to hold it while I turned it almost to shape. Then I installed a short piece of threaded rod in the female part of the join to be held by the chuck while I finished turning it. The steady rest was the key for me in keeping everything in alignment while I was drilling.
 
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I buy dowels or tool handles-that way I will not had to turn the wood except at the ends for the handle & tips and the joining bolts //I bought the kit from Rockler---the handle and tip holes were drill correct but the joining holes did not match perfectly
 
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I do not know your turning style but if you are scraping and chipping you can be getting off center from the slipping of your drive spur or screw, if it slips it can come off center. It is not like a pen. you have a mandrel that helps for the pen blank ( that is one reason that you can get by using that turning style on pens) and the pen blank is not normaly 36" long. Just a thought.
Good luck with your project
 
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I made a 2 piece walking stick for my father-in-law using hardware from either Rockler or Packard out of a 2.5"X2.5"X8' piece of maple. First I cut the pieces to length and roughed them to round. Then I trued up the ends with a skew and cut a tenon on each piece opposite the end where the join would be. The tenon was so I could hold the pieces in a chuck. Then I got out the homemade steady rest and drilled the holes for the hardware with the drill in the tailstock. I installed the hardware with epoxy. I put rubber tubing over the male part of the joining hardware so that I could hold that end in the chuck for turning with the steady rest. I used the tenon I had turned on the piece with the female part of the join to hold it while I turned it almost to shape. Then I installed a short piece of threaded rod in the female part of the join to be held by the chuck while I finished turning it. The steady rest was the key for me in keeping everything in alignment while I was drilling.

Sandy-Thanks-That is an interesting alternative. I DO have and USE 2 of the HEAVY CAST IRON Steadies offered by Woodcraft. They do indeed allow drilling with the Tailstock.
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Jim
 
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Canes

Interesting! I spotted cane this past spring had an interesting look to it. After asking the gentleman to see the cane, I found that, upon close examination, that it was made of 4 or 5 strips of wood laminated lengthwise and turned. Very attractive! Thought I would pass this along to you.
 
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HIHI-
I sent a question regarding this to CHRIS at CUE MAN BILLARDS PRODUCTS andhis reply was succinct. "YOU NEED A PRECISION CROSS SLIDE AND A STEADY REST WITH BEARING AND INSERT COLLETS TO BE ABLE TO FACE THE ENDS PERFECTLY AND INSTALL THE JOINT DEAD CENTER."

from CHRIS.........
 
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I Have no idea what Chris is referring to, but it sounds like something simple-like an add on device-Does anyone understand what he he is talking about?

Jim Fay
 
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"You can also make a jig that uses your lathe as a line-boring machine by effectively raising the bed to the proper distance above centerline and referencing L-R with the head and tail." M. Mouse

I made jig to fit my Delta for this purpose using a scissors car jack I picked up at a junk yard. I think it was from a Nissan.
 
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