A quick question before the symposium. Still new to turning, but very addicted to this hobby after 1 year. I am considering buying a tool, or a bowl saver set up, for use on bowls 10-16" in diameter. Anyone have any recommendations? A few members of my club said they do not bother with them because it takes more time than it is worth, but I hate to spend so much time just turning the insides into trash can full of shavings. Also interested in know what is the best tool for roughing the outside of larger irregular shaped hunks of wood. I do not have a large band saw, and use my chain saw to rough shape the piece before I mount it for turning. Sometimes I do not get it very round, and it takes some work to knock it into shape. I have both and EZ rougher and 1/2" bowl gouges, but both take a beating.