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Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Emiliano Achaval, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. hockenbery

    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    In my experience (similar to what you said )
    1. Woodturner's rarely volunteer to do anything
    2. Woodturner's almost never say "no" when you ask them to do something
     
  2. Emiliano Achaval

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    I really see a generational issue here. We are trying to utilize Facebook to engage a different audience, perhaps the younger turners. Somebody here mentioned that the forum doesn't need Facebook, had a good chuckle with that one. I have asked club members to engage more in our Facebook page. Some of the answers make you realize that Facebook is not for everyone... Several don't even have a Facebook account, one told me big brother can monitor you thru there... All I know is there are a lot of people in Facebook, perhaps we can help gain some AAW members thru a well run group.
     
  3. odie

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    Well, I suppose it's worth a try, Emiliano........and good luck with it. :D

    I'm one of those who used to have a facebook account, but ended up deleting it. In order to participate in your new group, I guess I'd have to set up a new FB account. I'm being urged to start up my FB account by friends and family members. They seem to think I might be able to drive some prospective buyers to my online Etsy shop......and, increase my sales.

    Other than an outreach for younger turners, what advantage do you see over this forum?
     
  4. odie

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    One thing I do see in this forum, is participants come and go regularly. Wouldn't that aspect be the same for a FB group?

    I can only speculate why participants come and go so frequently. I think some new turners lose interest quickly, when they discover turning isn't as simple as they thought.......and takes time, patience, and practice to get beyond simple turning and lots of sanding.

    It would be interesting to hear other thoughts about why so many turners are only here briefly, then are gone. If half of those could be encouraged to participate on a continuing basis......this forum would be extremely active.
     
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  5. Gerald Lawrence

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    Odie I think many are what is called "internet cruisers" and are just looking for either an answer or just scouting around.
     
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  6. hockenbery

    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    Also it may be some of the same phenomena we see in local chapter and AAW membership.
    a local chapter I was associated with grew from 30 to 80 members in 10 years by getting 10 new members every year an loosing 5
    For many years AAW grew by about 5% a year by gaining 20% and loosing 15%.
     
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  7. Bill Boehme

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    Our club gets a large number of new members each year and most of them are gone in a year or two after they barely get beyond the scraping and sanding stage. Not everybody gets excited about woodturning.
     
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  8. John Torchick

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    Sounds like some churches I have been around. Win a few and lose a few.
    I guess as long as we are gaining more than we lose, we are OK. OK?
    I have been on other forums where you see people for a few months or a few years, then they disappear.
     
  9. Bill Boehme

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    I probably won't be hanging around this forum forty years from now. :D
     
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  10. Tom Albrecht

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    Big Brother (and cameras in our microwaves) aside Emiliano, you can chuckle all you want, but you are right-- Facebook is not for everyone. I was on Facebook for awhile, no longer. The fact remains that there are a lot of sane minded , non-paranoid folks, across many age groups and professions, who will not have a facebook account for their own reasons. I, and many of my sane minded, non-paranoid friends and relatives, do not chuckle to hear that you use Facebook. And, who is going to manage the "well run" Facebook group of woodturners?
     
  11. Mike Johnson

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    As long as Zuckerberg is running Facebook I will not be using it.
     
  12. Emiliano Achaval

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    As an example, I have a friend that wanted to see the entry cut on a natural edge bowl. A friend came over, I had him video me doing just that, I instantly uploaded to our Spanish Woodturning Group, all done with my iPhone, simple, fast. Within an hour the video had 650 views, and counting. I also did 3 other short different videos, all with hundreds of views, lots of comments. As an administrator I can get notifications when someone reports something that needs to be checked... I belong to 15 Facebook woodturning related groups. I have them organized in the Groups App by preference. Since I prefer to turn rather than get notifications all the time, I have only the group that I run sent me notifications for flagged posts, maybe once a week someone sneaks past and tries to offer loans... I check my Facebook a few times during the day, I can see at a glance whats going on, all goes thru my feed.
    Have you ever tried to reply to a post on this forum on an iPhone or Android? Not the easiest thing. With Facebook, instant, easy, simple. The groups have polls, run very easily. So you can ask what do you guys want as the monthly challenge A, B or C... Facebook and Instagram have definitely helped my sales. No doubt. I have over 500 people following me on Instagram, instant marketing...
    I only started Facebook to see friends and family, in Argentina... Not worried about Big Brother at all, I welcomed them to check my emails lol.
     
  13. Emiliano Achaval

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    Yes, I believe Facebook and the Forum have that in common, people comes and goes... But, overall, I see more people engaged in Facebook than all the Forums combined. The nice thing about Facebook groups is that I have all of them in my Facebook Feed, the other forums, I have to go to each one individually...
    My wife says my Stubby S750 is my other wife, lol. Not every turner I know turns 7 days a week... I agree with people starting to turn and then quit, not as easy as it sounds.
     
  14. Emiliano Achaval

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    Its easier to follow groups, you dont have to check in to see whats going on, it shows up on your feed... So there is more participation, easier to jump in when something catches your eye...
     
  15. Doug Rasmussen

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    Strictly my opinion here, but I don't Facebook. A couple months ago I signed up for FB using only my cell number which I don't publicize any more than necessary. The reason for signing up was to see some specific project pictures of interest to me that I couldn't see without logging in.

    When I logged in first and only time there was something about 2 people I haven't seen or thought about for 10 years wanting to be "friends" or similar connection. Plus, there were more current friends and relatives wanting connection and a number of names I didn't recognize. I logged out immediately.

    That freaked me so much I haven't been back since. One of these days I'll log back in and cancel membership. I know "they" know more about me than I care to have known, but I don't intend to make it any easier for them.
     
  16. john lucas

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    When I do demos I always tell people about this forum, and woodcentral forum and how much you can learn and how much fun you can have. I doubt I have much unput but I try. Many people just aren't into forums, or even subscribe to many of the magazines.

    Another issue is many people really don't turn much. They say turning is their hobby and may go and play in the shop but I find that in most clubs you only have a few who really actively turn. And very few turn as much as most of us do which may be why we find these forums fun.
     
  17. William Rogers

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    Hmm! This is my first post which I didn't think it would be on this. I am only providing my opinion that may be a different from many. I am a woodturners and belong to a woodturning club. I am somewhat active on a couple other forums. I joined the AAW and this fourm earlier this month. I thought the "Newbie" was a place to introduce yourself. I soon discovered it was the fourm trying to separate skill level using a subgroup. I am not trying to be critical, but constructive. The message this sends to me is the main fourm is only for experienced turners to post it. Anyone not an experienced turner (whatever experienced is) should only post in the Newbie subgroup. I realize this is your forum and can have what groups you want. I guess for me I don't understand why a Newbie subgroup is needed. My, can't someone see the title of the post and determine if he wants to open it? It's not like there are 50 post a day to separate. I'm not sure why the Newbie forum was created, but is it still valid today? I am just offering my reason for not participating in this forum. I understand that this may be the way you want things and that is ok.
     
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  18. Mike Johnson

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    William,

    A novice wood turner does not know the difference between a skew and roughing gouge. Many topics covered by experienced wood turners are splitting hairs between angles ground on tools and tool approach used on different types of wood blanks. Depending on the question and the person reading the post, you will have one person lost in the question or another wanting to cancel their subscription. Many wood turners have thousands of hours working on a lathe, these people are dedicated to honing their skills over the years. There are too many novice turners that ask pointless questions when the answers are only a click away. Part of the problem with many forums are people wanting to be spoon fed knowledge by people who have invested the time and resources to attain the level of skills and knowledge they retain. Most people do not have a lot of spare time on their hands if they are professional wood turners, people that have full time jobs and turn wood as a hobby have little spare time to enjoy the craft each week. There are a number of wood turners on the internet who produce video's to help the novice wood turner. Some wood turners post video's on YouTube which will help the novice wood turner answer many of the basic questions. Each time you watch a video on YouTube you are monetizing the hard work these people put in to creating these educational video's. A wood turning club is another great place for the novice wood turner to get up to speed.
     
  19. hockenbery

    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    Appreciate your perspective.

    It is my understanding "newbie" was created as a place to invite newer turners to post.
    Newer turners do tend to post more basic questions and some may be reluctant to post in the main forum.
    However there has never been a restriction on posting basic questions in the main forum.
    A quick scan of topics in the main forum
    Basket illusion - advanced
    Throwing out sanding discs- basic
    Raising grain - basic - 2nd week of HS shop class
    Cracked bowl- basic problem we have all had

    The question is what subforums do we want?
    What purpose should they serve?

    One goal for sub-fora was to provide research sections
    The tips and techniques being one where you find ideas and how tos.
    Descriptions are often accompanied with videos and sometimes with an article in the AAW journal or the WOODTURNING FUNDAMENTALS.

    Hope you stay with us a bit longer.
     
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  20. John Torchick

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    IMHO, this forum is useful for both beginners, novices, experienced, and professional turners. No matter what your interest, job, profession, you are always learning. The person who says they can't learn any more is severely limiting themselves. I look at four forums on woodworking, routing, woodturning, and penmaking. I have learned a lot from them. The only thing lacking is how to get more $$$$ to buy more stuff! :(
     
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