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Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Emiliano Achaval, Mar 19, 2017.
The day you stop learning is usually the day they decide to plant you in the ground.
I have to say, if you truly are new to woodturning, these fora are not the place to start. That's like learning to drive by reading a book.
You should go to the AAW Symposium, or take a class, or at least get a mentor. Hands-on work where you can see what's happening is the best place to start.
Have to disagree, what better place to ask, Should I get a CBN wheel or a Norton 3x? Is a Delta lathe for $500 a good deal, and I can get on and on... But yes, I would go and get a mentor first, ask him for some classes, lol
Welcome to the forum, William. Your input is greatly appreciated and I share your concerns about the Newbie forum potentially sending the wrong message not only to beginners, but to experienced turners as well. The Newbie forum was started eight years ago at the request of new turners. The first sticky thread in the Newbie forum provides some insight into why it was started. Prior to that there was a lot of discussion about the usefulness of a Newbie forum. On one hand, beginners may feel intimidated by the threads on the main forum and on the other hand there's the negative connotation telling beginners to go to the back of the bus.
I'm wondering what sort of partitioning makes sense. To me, skill level doesn't seem to be a very good arrangement, but maybe that isn't how new turners see things. Most forums create sub forums based on function (finishing, tools, sharpening, tutorials, marketplace, lathes, sanding, chucks, ...... we could get carried away), but I think that creating more sub forums only makes sense if the number of posts warrants doing that. Sawmill Creek is probably the busiest woodturning forums do t,hey haven't seen a need to partition woodturning into ss un groups.
It depends. If it's learning a skill then mentoring is the best way to learn, but for most questions I believe that Emiliano is right. On the forum you can quickly get the perspective of many other turners. I think that it's a very good way to learn, but then I might be biased in my opinion.
There might be turners who fit your description of busy professionals who don't have time to answer "pointless questions" from beginners, but I doubt that those kind of people would be found on the forums anyway. I have seen condescending attitudes on other forums (especially photography forums) where beginners are reprimanded for asking questions that apparently are too elementary to warrant a civil reply. That kind of rude behavior won't be tolerated here. The search function is there for more experienced turners to help the beginner. Generally a beginner is at the point where they aren't knowledgeable enough to know what to search for. Besides, many topics are fluid as things continually evolve.
One last thought on this...
If part of what Emiliano would like is a more fluid, mobile, and easily accessible forum, what about allowing access within the Tapatalk app?
I appreciate the clearifications. i posted an introduction in the Newbie forum.
There isn't any requirement that beginners nor anybody else must use the newbie forum. However, one feature that I like on many other forums is a forum dedicated to introductions only. Thanks for reminding me of that. I think that is worth implementing here.
The problem with TapaTalk is similar to issues with the defunct ForumRunner and that is opening up security vulnerabilities in this site that enable hackers to gain root access to forum files. Additionally, TapaTalk collects and shares information that it gathers from your use of the app with its business partners. So any personal information you post as well as your ISP and physical location, any email address that you post, sites that you visit, etc are much more freely available to anybody who wants it. The AAW and its IT contractor say that TapaTalk will NOT be implemented because of the risks that it poses. The current versions of Xenforo and most other forum software work well on mobile devices without the administrative burdens created by TapaTalk.
Hiya Emiliano........I'm not sure facebook is going to work out for me......unless I can establish myself with an assumed name. Is that possible? Also, I don't have a modern cell phone......mine is an older flip phone. When you mention "feed"......are you talking about info received on your cell phone?
I'm very interested in how well this works out for you, though.
I don't know if he is referring to the orange colored RSS feed buttons that are shown in the picture below.
There is one thing I believe might increase participation on this forum, and that's the ability to remain anonymous. There is an incredible amount of online effort to compile information on individuals, and many people choose to be as discreet as possible......and, whether or not this is being overly protective of one's identity, is beside the point that some people do feel this way.
I came onto this forum at a time when we could choose a "handle" that suited us......but, that changed a few years ago to require a full real name. This, in my opinion, is stopping some people from participating on this forum.
I've never quite understood the requirement on this forum that one's identity absolutely has to be out there for the world to know exactly who you are. This unnecessarily adds to the online personal information available publicly. I think, but I don't know for sure, that the policy of personal identification on the AAW forums might be to "keep it honest". As long as the forums are moderated, that does seem to be somewhat of a misnomer.
I'm sure there are some who could care less about this aspect of identity protection online......but, those who control policy here might be eliminating input to the forums by making this decision.
There are plenty of people fishing for phone numbers and e-mail addresses and other identifiers
these days that they turn around and monetize in various ways. A larger number of these people
are now using this information for nefarious purposes which is targeting honest people and the laws
these days seem too protect the criminals. Too many people post way too much information on
Facebook on a daily basis setting themselves up for criminal attacks.
Just last week one of my co-workers had his cell service compromised by criminals, the crooks found
out his account address and they called a phone number to have the phone replaced when lost, stolen,
or damaged and had the new replacement phone sent to a location in another state. My co-worker received
an email informing him that a new phone had been mailed out. He contacted the cell phone provider to inform
them that his phone was fine and that someone was scamming them. Several days later they did the same
thing with another phone on his family plan. These companies are completely incompetent in protecting peoples
privacy and many times are selling there customer lists to advertising and marketing companies. These types of crimes are becoming common place and the internet is the land of opportunity for these people.
As long as you sign up with a reasonable made up name, it's ok. Such as Bill Turner, lol. The feed is what you see on your page. On my feed I see all the postings from my friends, my groups and several pages. I also have chosen favorites, you see them first. And I can choose what I want to see or not... I will keep everyone informed here. Aloha
Facebook is the first place police go to investigate anyone that is on their radar.
In today's society you are guilty by association until you prove your innocence.
Most people have nothing to worry about when the police do research, when the criminals
start gathering information on a target that is a whole different story.
Some of the things people post on Facebook is foolish at best, we are so excited to be taking
the family on vacation next week to Disney World, and the hubby posts photo's of his high dollar
stereo equipment or vehicles in the garage. They return from their trip and their house is broken
into and the house and garage are cleaned out. Post photo's of your children or wife and you
have sick individuals that can become obsessed and turn them into victims. Post photo's of your
favorite hobby and you can quickly become a target of interest.
Unfortunately we cannot control stupid. I do not post anything about being out of town or if I am going out of town. The Phone deal shows password should have been changed when it all started. Then there is the addage if you don't want the world to know do not post it.
Count me as one that would have zero interest in a Facebook group. While my wife and her sisters and friends are obsessed with Facebook, I have looked at her page a couple of times and want no part of it. Posting pictures of you eating at a restaurant, and having friends post back comments like " Yum, Yum" is just the dumbest thing I can think of. I also am smart enough to realize we could use more younger turners, and Facebook seems to be the format that interests them, and to that end I would fully support us having a Facebook page if somebody cares to run it, and AAW supports it. I have to say that one of the side benefits of attending the AAW conventions is that I get to meet and talk to some of the young men and women in woodturning, and I really look forward to it. Also put me down as one that that thinks we need to rethink the purpose and or titling of the Newbie forum. While the right intent may have been there, I think it gives the wrong impression. Beginners questions should be just as welcome in the main forum, as any one else's.
In Facebook "feed" is what you see on your page... From all the places you have join or friends that you have accepted ... All in one easy place to see...
I have to chuckle at the little understanding of Facebook by some people. Facebook is like politics, why bother to convince someone to understand my views, is a waste of time. You either like it or you don't. Facebook has very strict privacy policies, you can be as open as you want or as private as you want... you choose what you want to see and whom you want to see... And who do you you want to see your postings... If you owe money to the IRS or are wanted on some federal warrants might be best to stay off Facebook, lol.