G0698 18" X 47" Wood Lathe

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Rich Aldrich, Jan 14, 2010.

  1. Roger Chandler

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    Another positive opinion

    Hi all,
    I happened to be looking at some other forums, and noticed a thread about the Grizzly G0698, and there was a guy who bought one, got it home and had a friend who has a 3520b come over to see it, and the 3520b owner was very impressed with the machine, and could not hardly believe that much lathe for the price.
    The 3520b owner was impressed with the power, smooth performance and the quality of the lathe. So far, I have to totally agree. I believe this is a very good lathe for the money, and has features that match up with most other machines that cost twice as much or more.
     
  2. Bill Boehme

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    Actually, single phase drives are still in wide use, but for very specialized applications. Their primary application is for systems that have essentially zero starting torque and where load torque is constant and proportional to motor speed. A common example of this type of application would be air handlers in an HVAC system. Also, pumps with zero starting load torque would be another example. These motors have low power output. It will not work with the typical capacitor start induction motor. Typically the motor would be a shaded pole induction motor. The cost of a single phase drive would be lower than a three phase drive, but the trade-off is that three phase motors are cheaper than single phase motors. With the cost of drives coming down, I can see the cost factor tipping in favor of using a three phase motor and drive in new installations.
     
  3. Roger Chandler

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    related to the shop fox 1758

    I too took some interest in the shop fox w1758, but once I got to looking real close then I did not like what I saw. The slowest speed is 600 rpm, and that is too fast for large bowl blanks, especially one that is out of balance. It is too light in weight, and I did not want to chase it all over my shop.

    It also has the articulating tool rest which is a weak system [in my opinion] and I like a slower speed for sanding operations than 600 rpm. I am really glad I waited to get the grizzly G0698, because so far, it has met all the expectations I had hoped it would be when I decided to buy it.

    I had looked for 4 months a Laguna's 18x47 before I found out Grizzly was going to carry the same lathe. I was also interested in the Powermatic 3520b, but found the cost somewhat prohibitive at the current time. As of now, I am VERY happy with the G0698.
     
  4. Roger Chandler

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    still happy

    Hi all,

    After having my Grizzly G0698 for 2 weeks, and turning several projects, I really like the performance and features of this lathe. It is smooth, quiet, and has the power and torque to get the job done in short order. I am turning faster, and sanding less than with my old Craftsman lathe.
    I mentioned that I would give some on-going reviews as I was able to turn because the lathe is new to the market, and there seems to be considerable interest among a number of turners for this lathe because it might be the difference between having to settle for a small lathe, when they could have a large capacity one in their price range.

    Good luck to all, and I will review further in a few weeks.
     
  5. Paul Singer

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    Roger,

    Is there anything the least bit negative that you have found so far. I have every intention of getting one of these when I get back home in April. The only thing I have heard so far as a fault is the stripping out of the tool rest hold down lever which appears to be an easy fix. My only problem with this lathe is the size but I think I can make it fit.
     
  6. Roger Chandler

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    No negatives, one wish

    Hi Paul,

    I have not found anything negative so far about this lathe. It is powerful, smooth, full of features, and in my opinion a large step above what some of the earlier and lower end models that Grizzly used to carry.

    That being said, I do have one wish, that would have in my opinion have made this lathe even better. It is something though that can easily be addressed by the owner with no problems. The nut on the screw shaft that holds down the tool rest and tail stock are simple large sized hex nuts. The manual plainly says to "periodically adjust the nut for fine tuning the lockdown lever" but My wish is that they would have put "lock nuts" with nylon inserts because that would have locked in the adjustment for long periods of time.

    It is no big deal though, because to adjust the tension, you just reach underneath and hand tighten the nut, just a hair. Simple, but the optimal would have been the lock nuts. I have placed a lock washer under mine because that's just my preference. It is not necessary in either case, and I guess to make this lathe as affordable as it is, they had to be as basic as possible to cut down costs.

    I will say this though, the pulleys, wiring and switches all look to be first rate to me, and I am a happy camper so far. I believe that this lathe stacks up very well with the Jet 16/42 evs, and has more capacity, and for the money it sure gives the PM 3520b a serious run for features and quality [my opinion, of course]

    As far as the size, I was concerned as well, but I don't think it takes up much more space than a Jet 16/42.

    Best of luck Paul!
     
  7. Roger Chandler

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    No negatives, one wish

    Hi Paul,

    I have not found anything negative so far about this lathe. It is powerful, smooth, full of features, and in my opinion a large step above what some of the earlier and lower end models that Grizzly used to carry.

    That being said, I do have one wish, that would have in my opinion have made this lathe even better. It is something though that can easily be addressed by the owner with no problems. The nut on the screw shaft that holds down the tool rest and tail stock are simple large sized hex nuts. The manual plainly says to "periodically adjust the nut for fine tuning the lockdown lever" but My wish is that they would have put "lock nuts" with nylon inserts because that would have locked in the adjustment for long periods of time.

    It is no big deal though, because to adjust the tension, you just reach underneath and hand tighten the nut, just a hair. Simple, but the optimal would have been the lock nuts. I have placed a lock washer under mine because that's just my preference. It is not necessary in either case, and I guess to make this lathe as affordable as it is, they had to be as basic as possible to cut down costs.

    I will say this though, the pulleys, wiring and switches all look to be first rate to me, and I am a happy camper so far. I believe that this lathe stacks up very well with the Jet 16/42 evs, and has more capacity, and for the money it sure gives the PM 3520b a serious run for features and quality [my opinion, of course]

    As far as the size, I was concerned as well, but I don't think it takes up much more space than a Jet 16/42. The manual says that the space you will need is 81 inches by 23-1/2 inches, and that is for the headstock being in the farthest left position. It is a good idea to have the stated amount of room in which to place the lathe, as it is good operating space.



    Best of luck Paul!
     
  8. Bob Hadley

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    Roger,

    I am really happy you found the Grizzly to your complete satisfaction and I am certain you will have great fun turning to your hearts content!

    With every discussion of Grizzly, the issue of price and value is the predominant factor. So too it seems with this discussion and your particular decision. Not all of us have won the lottery and can afford a $3000 lathe.

    I have purchased two Grizzly lathes, one wood and one metal. I currently own a Jet 1642VS 2hp.

    I looked at your photos posted on page 3 and offer the following commentary on them.

    1631 The machine has an obvious legacy to the PM and Jet line. As John Lucas mentioned, the weight difference is no doubt because the iron castings are smaller and thinner than the PM/Jet versions.

    1632 and 1642 The motor appears to be constructed of some sort of extruded case. I’ve never seen a large 3 phase motor case like this and would be interested in how it is constructed.

    1633 Nice close-up of the headstock. The blend-lines, fillets and hard edges of the casting hint to a somewhat lower grade foundry work compared to the PM and Jet components. It’s OK, but not the same quality or execution. The screws and hardware appear to be more or less the same “Grizzly” grade stuff that has been my experience. You might someday end up replacing those with ISO/metric grade 8.8 or better.

    1634 & 1635 The adjustable handle levers are relatively low grade material and will eventually need to be replaced. On my old Grizzly I found some German-made replacements – which are so nice I did the same on my Jet.

    1636 The revolving center looks like the one that comes on their 1232 lathe. Does it not look a bit small for a lathe that swings 18 inches? Similar sized machines from Jet and PM come with centers with triple-row bearings. Also the bolts that anchor the bed to the legs look pretty small.

    1637 I am surprised to how see the spindle does not extend beyond the rear of the headstock. As mentioned you get along fine with it this way.

    1638 & 1640 The wire tool basket looks like a truncated version of the JET. Probably just there so they can say they have a basket “like the Jet or PM.” It’s a basket.

    1639 Yep! You purchased one of the first 10 of this style lathe ever made!

    1641 1642 1643 no comments

    1644 1645 The tailstock ram appears to have the graduation markings stamped whereas on the Jet and PM these marks are laser marking... laser marking keeps the ram perfectly smooth and is more accurate – not that it matters but it is a nicer way to do it.

    1646 1647 no comments

    All in all, you did get a lot for your money. This was introduced at $300 less than their 16/42 lathe so it is reasonable to expect the price will go up later. This is definitely a “get it while it’s hot” deal. Although I personally would not buy another Grizzly lathe, I don’t begrudge those who do. Happy turnings!
     
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  9. Roger Chandler

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    Not a Cadillac, but ....

    Hi Bob,

    Thanks for your response. I have been busy digging out from this blizzard here in N. Va. and came in and saw your posting.

    When I purchased this lathe, I was under no illusion that it was a "Cadillac" lathe like the Oneway, or the PM 3520b. I kind of feel like this analogy is true.... You can get to your destination in fine style with a top of the line luxury model like a Cadillac, but if you need to get somewhere, then probably a good "Buick" will take you to the very same destination. It might not be quite as luxurious, but the ride is pretty good none-the-less.

    I find that perhaps the pictures don't do justice to the handles on the tool rest and tail stock. I can tell you, they are substantial. The ways are a thick casting of 5/8 inch. I have turned on a 3520b of a friend who is in our local club, and some other lathes as well, and I am a person who is a stickler for performance and quality. I agonized [somewhat] over which lathe to buy. I started to limit myself to the 3520b, but decided I wanted more distance between centers, because I turn furniture parts sometimes, like table legs and bed posts, and the 3520b needed a bed extension accessory which retails for $459.00.

    As far as the live center goes, I knew that I already have others that are heavy duty, and this one seems just fine to me, and for the price I did not expect to receive all things I could possibly want in the way of accessories for this price.

    I do not consider myself the definative voice in all things woodturning or woodworking, but I do have over 20 years experience at woodworking and probably a little over 8 at turning. Other turners needs and projects may require a more substantial machine, and their preferences have been developed over time with what works for them.

    My considerations for this particular machine were that I wanted value, quality, capacity, features like the variable speed, reversing, 3 phase and good customer service in the event I needed parts or service in the future. For me and my particular interests, and likely projects, I think I have struck the right balance for my needs and my budget, and I think this lathe stacks up beside the Jet 1642 evs, and features are similar to the 3520b.

    I think you are probably right when you say "get them while you can" because it is my understanding that Grizzly will raise the price when the new 2011 cataloge come out.

    It is really nice to be able to have other folks interact around our common interest of woodturning. Thanks for your reply, and I enjoyed your post...

    Blessings!
     
  10. Roger Chandler

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    casting of the lathe bed

    Hi all,

    I wanted to clarify something related to the casting on the bed of the lathe. The thickness of the ways are 5/8 inch and the bed has heavy webbing and support of the bed itself.

    Just trying to give accurate info...
     
  11. steelguy

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    No horse in this race

    For the record, I don’t have a horse in this race. I’ve owned, for 5 years, a General Intl. 25-600 with a Reeves drive (which will never have electronic problems!) and never turn really large, or really wet, or really out of balance stock. However, I do appreciate the need for low speeds and massive lathes – if that is what you are turning. I don’t own a single piece of Grizzly equipment, however as a life long woodworker (>55 years) I have watched Grizzly since their inception some 25 years ago. I have been amazed at the value for the $ that they are able to provide. I think that the GO698 is just such an example. It appears to be quite useable at an attractive price – not a novel concept in the Grizzly world. As woodworkers, we tend to love equipment. The latest, bestest, mostest will surely improve our work…. When I see the GO698, I don’t think about what it doesn’t have versus lathes that cost 1.5 to nearly 3 times as much. I think about things like, what should a 3520B really cost? What are you paying for really nice engineering and what are you paying because of the Powermatic image? I would bet that all lathe makers, today, have low cost, off shore sourcing. Remember that a Chevy, a Buick, a Cadillac, a Mercedes, and a Rolls Royce will all take you from NYC to LA, safely.

    Jerry
     
  12. Roger Chandler

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    my sentiments exactly

    Jerry,

    You make my point very well. Every woodturner has his/her own needs, interests in certain types of projects, methods of working and their own techniques as far as tool usage. I think it is a STUPID thing to have a "pissing contest" to satisfy egos, or for anyone to make assertions as to what "the Best" is, although I will say that there are certain manufactures that have exemplary track records with their machines.

    The "best machine" is the one that gives the turner the greatest opportunity to reach their potential, and serves their work methods the best for them.

    I don't claim to have the "best machine, " however I believe the Grizzly G0698 will serve me well, and it served my budget well also.

    Thanks for your post!
     
  13. Paul Singer

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    I have a few Grizzly items. They have cheap tools and higher quality tools. My table saw I would put up against ones costing twice as much. My belt/disk sander is usable but not top notch. I knew that when I bought it and did not want to spend the extra money at the time for a better one. My jointer has served me well and my dust collector has been great. I think Grizzly is very capable of a quality machine but each one has to be evaluated on its own. Thats why a review such as this one by a owner is so great in helping with the process. Thank You Roger for your efforts.
     
  14. Roger Chandler

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    my motivation for posting

    Hi Paul,

    Thank you for your post. I don't want anyone to misunderstand the reason I posted concerning this machine.

    Here is my motivation: knowing that this lathe was new to the market, and knowing that there was a lot of interest among many who wanted a larger lathe, but maybe were not in a position to part with over $3000.00 in this economic downturn, and knowing that there was a good bit of uncertainty, as some lower end Grizzly lathes had a less than desirable reputation, I wanted to give what my honest views were as a new owner.

    I had done all the research I could, and given the choices I had, I took what I believe was a well thought out decision, which now having gotten the lathe, used it a bit, and having seen its performance up close and personal, then I felt that my experience might help others who wanted to give this a try, but were not sure.

    To the extent that this has helped someone else, I am glad for that. If my posts have informed as to my own opinions and observations, then it must be remembered by all that they are indeed "my observations and opinion" and must be considered in the light of each persons needs and interests, and at least if they are helpful to someone, then that is a good thing.

    I hope no one has perceived my postings a a "gloat" because I'm not into that, nor do I want anyone to have a misperception that I feel that I am an "expert" in the field of woodturning. there are many more experienced, gifted and innovative persons out there than I, and I look to them to gain inspiration for advancing in my skill levels and understanding of turning wood.

    I wish all who are out there the best, and send my highest regards...
     
  15. njarm1

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    Thanks for the update

    Roger,

    Many thanks for your review and please keep us updated. Have been interested in this machine ever since laguna came out with their brand and now seriously considering the grizzly 18x47.

    Thanks,
    Ned
     
  16. Paul Singer

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    Roger,

    There is a thread on another forum from a guy that is having problems with his G0698. It appears that after he gets below 130 rpm the lathe is not smooth. In his words the spindle pulses (herky/jerky). He also says the tail stock is sloppy and not machined to very tight tolerances. I am posting a link to his thread but I tried to do this on their forum and it got deleted so I am not sure it will work here.

    http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=132398

    Just wanted your coments on his complaints. Grizzly is telling him that is the way the slow speed works but it seems like that is their first line of defense to try and get the customer to accept the problem instead of fixing it. I have heard the from other people.
     
  17. Roger Chandler

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    Grizzly's Tech support - Looking into the issue

    Paul,

    I contacted Grizzly tech support this morning about this issue, and referred them to a previous conversation with a tech support representative, and told them of the concerns that the other gentleman, and I have experienced with this "pulsing" at very low rpm. They are going to send this matter up the chain of command to the Washington headquarters, and trace it to the factory if necessary.

    The rep. I spoke with today told me it may take a week or so [maybe two] to get this addressed, but that they would contact me. I asked them t look into the inverter, if it was the problem, or need for reprogramming it, or the potentiometer not being sensitive enough, or what the issue might be, and I informed them as to the negative press they are getting on another forum.

    The response I got today was one of genuine concern and assurance they would look into this and get back to me. We will see how they address our concerns and what actions they take to remedy the problem. For now we are in a time that we must give them fair time to research and address the issue, and will wait till they respond.
     
  18. Paul Singer

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    Roger,

    Thanks for the response. I communicated your actions to the person on the other forum. I guess then you too have experienced this erratic low speed operation. I have never used a lathe that would go below 400 rpm so I would probably be thrilled to get close to 100 rpm but if they advertise it should work then it should work.

    Hope you get a good answer.
     
  19. Tom Hamilton

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    I own a Laguna 18/47

    I've owned the Laguna 18/47 since August 2009 and am very happy with it. I've turned everything from pens to a 25" bowl (I have the outboard turning accessory).

    I got their newer version with the handwheel on the spindle. That handwheel threads on to the spindle shaft, then is set with two set screws. The threaded spindle shaft and flat area on the shaft for the set screws are out past the cover plate on the end of the headstock. Looking at your pictures I don't see how you could use the Laguna handwheel. Let me know if you'd like me to take a couple pictures of the Laguna handwheel for your reference.

    I run at 10rpm or so to sand and apply finish and I have not had any herky-jerky operation. My guess is that it's an adjustment on the inverter board.

    I have been able to stall mine though, while turning a 15" green Hard Maple bowl I was taking more than a 1/2" cut with my Easy Wood tool and it stalled. You just turn it off then on and it's ready to go. I've also experienced what I'll call a "Safety Stall", I was turning using the outboard turning accessory and was turning a 25" piece of dry white ash and had a HUGE catch with a big bowl gouge, on/off with the lathe and it was ready to go. Me on the other hand needed to figure out that catch before moving on. :eek:
     
  20. Roger Chandler

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    Pics of hand wheel, etc.

    Tom,

    I would very much like to have pics from you to show how your handwheel connects to the spindle. I appreciate your offer. If the cover plate on mine is removed one can see a flange that has a threaded hole on either side of the spindle.

    I hope that you are correct that the "pulsing" we have at low rpms is simply a matter of making an adjustment on the inverter board. I don't know how to do those things, but maybe tech support at Grizzly will walk me through the process when they get it figured out.

    Thanks for posting your experience with the Laguna 18/47 and letting us know that the problem seems to be with Grizzly's version. We await Grizzly's information and remedy.
     

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