Hollowing Systems

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  1. William Rogers

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    i know this is an age old thing. I have read many archive post. My current hollowing "system" is a Sorby Hollow Master. I need to upgrade.
    I think my needs are for about 12" deep.
    I will be able to see systems in KC.

    I have seen the Monster articulating arm with some hands on and was impressed, but so far this is the only one I have seen. Monster does not show the capture system on their site, so I guess it is no longer available.
    Rough estimate the Monster articulating arm with all the extras is about $800. I think the Jameson capture system is about $550. My price range is $850 or less. I know the Bosch and Gizmo will be in KC, but can't really determine the price range of these system at this time.

    For those of you that have both the capture and articulating arm, what do you prefer if you only had one? What other systems should be considered?

    I fell that I could build either the capture or articulating arm using the tooling from the purchased system, but that is down the road.
     
  2. hockenbery

    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    There will be several systems to see in KC

    Simon Hope is well worth a look. Find Franck Johansen in the Vantage lumber booth.
    He is a Simon Hope dealer.
    Trent Bosch will be there - look atTrents demo schedule. Go see his revelations in hollowing demo
    Friday after lunch.
    Lyle Jamieson will be there.

    You can mix $ match
    Consider Trent Bosch bars and Simon Hope holder
    Or Bosch bars & Jamison holder.
     
  3. Bill Boehme

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    I have Steve Sinner's Advanced Lathe Tools boring bar system. Also, his steady rest appears to very good, but I already had the Robust steady rest which is very solidly built. Most of the hollowforms that I have made were less than eight inches deep and were easily done with normal hand hollowing ... no steady rest, no captive bar, no articulating arm, no laser, no video. However, the Jamieson system is the best deal for smaller hollowing systems if you want to do slightly deeper hollowing up to a foot deep. I second Al's recommendation of Trent Bosch.
     
  4. William Rogers

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    I just watched the Simon Hope hollowing video and was impresse with the value of that system. I haven't seen much on the fourm about it, but it is definitely high on my list. Thanks for the pointer Al.
     
  5. William Rogers

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    I decided on the Simon Hope articulating system for hollowing. I had looked at many systems and there are very good ones available. It came down to $$ and features I wanted. The Hope system is very well made. What I liked about it was you have a hand grip when hollowing. The base can be offset where center post is not directly between the ways. There is also a short articulating arm I'm hoping will give more mobility. One thing I wanted was a camera system being new to hollowing. I bought the complete camera system that included a 3/4" straight, 3/4" curved, round scraper and 6mm Hunter style carbide. In addition I bought the 5/8 "old style" bar with straight carbide cutter and curved carbide cutter. Finally I also got the laser in addition to the camera. The laser has a power supply and not dependent on a battery. I will use the laser until I get close and then switch to the camera. Reason is with the laser you are looking at the piece where with the camera you are looking at the screen and I feel with the camera you can get to the final thickness easier as you can see where the cutter is cutting at all times without adjustment. I have just done one practice piece, but really like the system. Those carbide cutters make short work in removing material. I ordered directly from Simon Hope and I am very satisfied with the transaction. It is a quality product and Simon has provided quick and excellent support to all my questions.

    On a side note I have been advised to get a 1" bar. Hope does not offer that size. When I was looking at systems I was strongly considering the Monster system. However when I just went to check out the bar and other options it say the site has not been renewed. Does anyone know if they are still providing products?

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    I have a Jamieson bar 1 1/8 and
    A 1 1/2" bar made by my friend CA Savoy.

    Both bars take 1/2" diameter cutter holders and have 3/4" shaft to fit the Jamison bar or the Simon Hope.
    CA made me 4 cutter holders. Straight and curved that I use glued in 3/16" cutters and a straight and curved holder tapped for a screw for scraper cutters.
    This bar is great to use as the cutters are quickly changed and easily sharpened in their 1/2 holders.

    The curved cutters are off center line but work fine in both the Jamison and Hope.

    The CA BAR would be easy for any metal worker to make. Cut a 1.5" bar to length. Drill a 1/2" hole in one end, tap that end for 2 set screws, weld a 3/4 piece on the other end. Cut 4 pieces of 1/2 steel, bend 2 at about 45 degrees. Make a flat on the end of a straight and curved piece and tap for a bolt and attach scraper bits. Drill a hole in the ends of the other two and glue in cutters.

    I can easily work 12" deep with either and have not done anything deeper than 12"
    I use them mostly for hollowing forms up to 17" in diameter.
     
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  7. Fadi Zeidan

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    Hey guys,

    i have a short bed on my midi 46-460, most hollowing systems require much longer bed. I am looking into the Elbo with the extension they offer as well as Bosch's stabilizer since it doesn't require additional stand, any recommendation?
     
  8. Regis Galbach

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    Here is one that I made last week for under $100. Camera, tv, and all articulating arm parts. I'm sure that it will fit any lathe, even my 1221.

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    And that is my 1st ever hollow form.

    Regis
     
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    The jamieson system works great on short bed lathes.

    I demo hollowing on short bed lathes fairly often because that is what some clubs own.
    I use a 2x6 a couple feet long. One end is bolted to the ways. The other end has a backrest screwed to it.
    I think Lyle sells an extension if you don't have a 2x6
    The back rest can be quite flimsy and still work well.
    Did a demo a few months back on a jet 1221vs using the Jamison.

    Simon hope has a nice System. Turner position with this system is similar to that using the Jamison.

    With both the Jamison and the Hope the turner works between the hollow form and the support mechanism.
    I find this the most comfortable position for me. This makes them easy to use on full size lathes with good posture. The @Regis Galbach home gown system similar working position.

    With the Bosch system the turner works behind the support mechanism. This puts the support mechanism between me and the work which I don't care for. Some people think it is more natural, I think it more awkward.

    This distinction is important. I know which I like. You need to know which you like.

    One big advantage of the jamieson is you can make the backrest from wood.
    A lot lighter to move around and with a little bit of the friction free plastic on the lower rail it is better than metal.

    What I like about the jamieson, hope and Bosch systems is that they will work with most hollowing bars.
     
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  10. Fadi Zeidan

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    I emailed both Simon Hope and Lyle about compatibility with short bed. Haven't heard back. Simon states that you need 20" between the opening of the hollow form and the tip of the cutter. Lyle's seems massive and as you said, I would need to build a stand for it as you said. I may look into that.
     
  11. Fadi Zeidan

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    That is very impressive :) I wish I was that handy
     
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    Hmm I reread Simon's instructions, it says 20 inch from the post not the cutting tip...
     
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    I use my Jamieson rig on short bed lathes by mounting the secondary tool rest on a wooden support that is off the lathe. At first I didn't think it would work but it works just fine. It would probably work better if I attached it to the lathe with a board or something but it's worked well enough that I have never done that. Here is a photo. You have to look close but you can see the secondary tool rest is sitting in a wooden stand that isn't attached to the lathe.
     

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  14. Fadi Zeidan

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    This thing is huge... Lyle replied and said it fits on mini lathe, I don't see how. I may go with simon's system and may consider getting bed extension for my lathe. My concern is mobility, I move my lathe to turn and an extension may hinder that.
     
  15. Gerald Lawrence

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    You might want to look at the Elbo system by Tim Yoder. Complete system is 250 and the extension that allows use on mini lathe is 55. I have the regular and love. He also sells laser attachment but I already had the Ron Brown he sells.
    http://www.wtwtim.com/elbo tool.htm
     
  16. Bill Boehme

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    I've seen various hollowing systems used on mini lathes and they all work as far as I can tell. I've made a few hollowforms on my Jet mini lathe using just handheld hollowing tools ... Scrapers and hook tools (which are cutting tools). I think that these hollowing systems are great ... I have one for deep hollowing on my large Robust lathe where such a system is essential, but for a mini lathe, they aren't a necessity by any means. However, they are nice to have and make the job of hollowing a bit easier on the back plus a laser or camera is another work saver on checking wall thickness.

    One downside of a hollowing rig is that you can't use a hook tool with them. Most turners have never used a hook tool, but once you get past having earth shattering catches, they're really a pleasure to use.

    Personally, I feel like it would be good to make at least a couple hollowforms using handheld tools before considering getting a hollowing system. This helps develop ones tactile and intuitive feel for the hollowing process and would be advantageous even after getting a hollowing system.
     
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  17. Fadi Zeidan

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    I started by looking at the Elbo, I saw that he has an extension for it and saw him demo it at SWAT.
     
  18. Fadi Zeidan

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    Thanks bill,

    I did couple of hollow forms, one is 5x12 spalted and one 7x6 I think more open rim endgrain walnut. The end grain walnut was a pain the deeper I went but got it done. I don't really need hollowing system, but the control and laser would help and if buying one matter as well get a good one, but yes I'm on the fence still.

    I need to build a shed and buy full lathe, but we are still deciding if we will stay here or downsize after step kids finish college and move out, both in college now. That will make things much easier for me.

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    They are very nice. I like the setting that you used to photograph the patinated pieces.
     
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    My wife is in charge of the decoration in the house, can't take credit for the setting :) I am never happy with my work, but she finds ways to highlight them and use them around the house.
     

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