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Laguna Revo 18/36 or Jet 1640

Discussion in 'Newbie' started by Dan Bevilacqua, Dec 28, 2017.

  1. Dan Bevilacqua

    Dan Bevilacqua

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    Within the next 6 months, I may be purchasing a new lathe. I thought I would start researching early. My funds will be limited to around the price range of the Revo 18/36 or the Jet 1640. I am a hobbiest turner, and would like a high quality lathe that is well machined and will last me the rest of my life. I don't like vibration. I like to turn everything from boxes, ornamental bird house and other small items to of course bowls. I would like to learn to turn hollow vessels. I have no need for the between centers lenght of either lathe. The length of the PM2020 would be fine.

    At this point, I am limited to 110v. I do not need the extra capacity of the Revo as that of the Jet would be more than sufficient.

    Features I like of the Jet are the cast iron bed and the longer warranty. I also think (but am not sure) that there are 2 bearings in the nose end of the spindle, for a total of 3 spindle bearings. I do not care for the swiveling headstock.

    Features I like of the Revo are the greater weight which may or may not help with vibration (don't know). Although I would prefer a fixed headstock, I prefer this one to the Jet because it only slides and does not swivel. Not sure if this is a detremient or a benefit, but the Revo has a steel bed; I think I would prefer cast iron for vibration absorption. Of course, there may be no difference in vibration absorption in these two lathes based on design and engineering. I just don't know; but, I have heard that cast iron is a better absorber of vibration than steel.

    One of my dream lathes was the Powermatic 2020, and on sale at 15% (if that occurs), I could throw that into the mix. Of course, I would have to have 220 wired into the garage shop. I also wondered about whether the tail stock end legs would get in the way of my feet when faceplate turning. Also, without the swing away, is the tailstock too heavy to remove?

    At this point, I am turning on a Nova Comet lathe that I like very much. I am also turning on an old Shopsmith 10er with the speed changer (low speed of about 420rpm) that also does a fine job for me. I have read on the internet :D that there is no comparison between turning on a large lathe vs a midi or mini lathe. The last time I turned on a large lathe was too long ago to remember, in high school.

    Thanks.
     
  2. hockenbery

    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    I have turned on the new 1640 and it is a nice machine. powermatic/Jet have pretty big market share.
    I can recommend this lathe and it has good support base behind it.

    I haven’t turned on the new Laguna.
    Craft supplies would not sell them unless they were decent machines.
    I have had a Laguna Bandsaw for nearly 20 years. When I bought it, Laguna knew a lot about bandsaws but the company did not make anything they imported machines from European companies. My saw was made in Italy.

    Consider a road trip to Portland in June. The Symposium will overwhelm you. The trade show & instant gallery are open to public if you can only Spend a day. Jets will be on display for sure and I would think Craft supplies will have Laguna Revos in their booth( a call to craft supplies would verify this)
     
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  3. Owen Lowe

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    My first advice is to seek out these lathes in person and maybe turn something on them. Idaho isn’t all that far from Craft Supplies in Provo (?), UT so maybe a trip there would help. Of the Jet or Laguna, I’d choose the Laguna. I turned on one this past summer and the fit, finish, and controls were very pleasing and refined. Also the 2” of additional diameter capacity is something I would prefer. I make a lot of bowls and have decided 14”-16” is my preferred size. You can’t turn a 16” bowl on a 16” lathe; 14” is the maximum there and even that is pushing it if the raw wood is mis-shapened. The Jet would be more of a 12”-14” bowl capacity lathe.

    As to vibration, I, too, have heard the cast iron mantra but I’m not so sure it is that impactful in real life wood turning. My lathe is all steel weldment construction and I have no problem with unexpected vibration — off-balance wood is going to vibrate any machine and I think machine weight and anchoring plays a bigger role.

    You say a 2020 would be fine… I believe there is a yearly Powermatic sale at Woodcraft Supply but it may happen in the fall and I don’t recall the % off. A 20” between-centers distance is pretty short. Keep in mind that for hollowing of bowls and boxes and ornaments you are working in that 20” space. Let’s assume the chuck, wood, and tool rest take up 10” of that space, you only have 10” of tool space to maneuver. I think you’d be constantly mounting and dismounting the tailstock. If you get a chance to play with the 2020, see how you are able to handle that task and then project your abilities 10 to 20 years into the future. Merely sliding a tailstock to the far end of the bed is a LOT easier to do. Maybe something to ponder.
     
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  4. Dan Bevilacqua

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    Thanks for the informative posts, Owen and hockenbery. Craft Supplies is about 4.5 hours away, and I am seriously considering taking a class there in the next few months. There is also a Woodcraft store a little closer (SLC) that I think carries both lathes.
     
  5. Hy Tran

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    Dan,

    Jet & Powermatic typically do a sale right around AAW symposium time. Laguna just started displaying their lathes at recent AAW symposia, so some sales & specials may also be available. I would add Colt and Teknatool (Nova) to your list of possible lathe candidates.

    For a large purchase (you get to define large), I would spend a lot of time test-driving. After spending time on my (former) Shopsmith, I spent time with a friend who had a Oneway, and with a friend who had a Powermatic 3520. At the time, my budget was Powermatic-friendly. After receiving a raise at work, the Oneway and the Robust got on my radar screen. Spending time turning on a Robust made the choice pretty obvious (for me, anyway). I would consider the minimum test-drive time working a challenging project to completion.

    Best,

    Hy
     
  6. Jon Minerich

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    Dan,

    A few days, perhaps it was a week or so ago, we had a great discussion on the Revo on this website. I bought the 110 volt version for my small shop and love it. The suggestion to turn on on different lathes is a good one. I bought mine through Woodcraft. The stores generally have both lathes on display. I would call them, let them know you are a serious buyer and want to test drive both the Jet and the Laguna. I am sure they would let you.

    When you get past comparing specs and features, the buying decision becomes emotional. The question simply becomes, "Which one do I like best that fits within my budget?" You truly can't answer that question without a test drive. Good luck. Whatever your decision, I know you will have fun.

    Jon
     
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  7. Dan Bevilacqua

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    Thanks, Hy and Jon. I would love to do some test driving; however, the closest place to me is almost 4 hours away, or probably more at this time of year (snow and ice). There are no turning clubs in my area, either. I am also on the lookout for newer used lathes (could probably try before I buy) in my area; no luck so far, and I have been looking for a few months now.
     
  8. Owen Lowe

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    Yep, some of our western states turners really are isolated compared to a lot of the east and midwest. It doesn’t look like you’re an AAW member… if you were you could search the member database to locate individuals near you. Perhaps he (!;)) has a lathe you’re considering and would be willing to let you have a go. Surprise to me, there are 114 Idaho members alone — then add in the neighboring states’ close-to-the-border members! The $50-60 membership fee is a fraction of the cost of a new lathe and a valuable part of the expense of turning.
     
  9. Mike Johnson

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    CraigsList is a good resource for finding local and regional deals on equipment.
    You can also search the nearest items on Ebay and find deals on equipment.
    Regional auction houses also have listings for contractors, schools and businesses selling off equipment.
    Love those package deals that sell the machine and all of the tooling together.
     
  10. Dan Bevilacqua

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    Well, the Powermatic is out of the question now. I just got an estimate to wire 220 from opposite end of house to garage, and it will be around $600.00.

    Although I think I would really like the Laguna, the Jet's 5 year warranty is certainly attracting me toward the Jet.
     
  11. Steve Espinoza

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    The warranty was my deciding factor also. I was looking at the Laguna 1836, Jet 1840EVS and Grizzly 799. But being in service and CS my entire career the warranty was what helped finalized the decision. I've been very happy with it.
     
  12. Lamar Wright

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    Dan, I've had my new Jet 1640 over a month now and really love it. So far I don't have one complaint about it. I really like the sliding head feature. You can catch them on sale if you watch at Woodcraft.
     
  13. Mike Johnson

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    If you are wanting to operate part of your garage as a wood working shop a 220V service
    will provide the ampacity and voltages needed for various equipment used in a shop environment.
    If you are running the power from your house panel it would be worth the time and effort to install
    a small 120/220 sub-panel in the garage area that would provide multiple 120V circuits and several
    220V circuits for future needs. The biggest expense would be the labor and material cost for running
    the wiring from the house panel and the garage location. You will always use more circuits and power
    in a shop area then what you first envision. Running one dedicated circuit will be a waste of money,
    whereas a small sub-panel will provide multiple circuits for various equipment that accumulates quickly
    in a working shop area. The sub-panel will also add resale value to your property.
     
  14. Dan Bevilacqua

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    Thank's Steve, Lamar and Mike.

    Lamar, as far as sales are concerned, I am hoping for the Jet 15% off sale to show up soon. Mike, as far as the sub-panel, that would be great; however, way too expensive when I add it to the price of a PM lathe. I think that 1.5 hp will work fine for my hobby purposes. I do have two separate 110 circuits in the garage already.
     
  15. RichColvin

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    Not surprised. Wire alone is probably ⅓ of that.
     
  16. Fadi Zeidan

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    I’m leaning more and more towards 1640 as well.
     
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  17. Dean Center

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    Dan,
    It sounds like you're not in SE Idaho. I assume you know that Boise and Spokane both have a Woodcraft.

    One strategy that was fairly productive for me in searching for a used lathe was to check regional clubs for lathes for sale, listed on their web site or in their newsletter. When I placed a Want to Buy ad in their classifieds, I got lots of responses--apparently people think for a long time before pulling the trigger and posting a for sale sign, and giving them a nudge can be productive. Also, don't forget that the spindle on your new lathe will probably be a different size and you'll have the expense of converting chucks and such to the new lathe.
     
  18. Dan Bevilacqua

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    I am in eastern Idaho, not too far from Bozeman.

    Thanks for the idea about the want add; but, no woodturning clubs anywhere near me. The spindle adapter I would need is only around $20.00 for my G3 chuck; but, I will probably need to incur the expense of a larger chuck as well.
     
  19. William Rogers

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    Dan, the Jet is a nice lathe. I have the Laguna 18-36. For chucks, I also have the G3 that is a 1-8 thread ( non-insert). I got the adapter from PSI and it is fine. For additional chucks I have 2 SuperNova2s. One I have 50mm jaws and one 70mm jaws. I put the spigot jaws on my G3. I also have the Hurricane HTC 125 that I like a lot and use on larger blanks. I also have the Barracuda 2 and 4 chucks. These cuucks are rarely used anymore and have jumbo jaws on the 4 and pin jaws on the 2. There are many good chucks out there. I bought the Nova 2s because I got the prong center and face plate as a bonus. I use the prong center all the time and rarely use my steb center any more.
     
  20. Fadi Zeidan

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