Sorry Owen, I would never even think of telling someone to "test the rules", especially a newbie! Over my numerous years, beside and behind the lathe, I've seen too much blood which have resulted from testing the rules. Many have hit the floor and some came darn close to being carried out in a box. SAFETY is NUMBER utmost! We, as members of AAW must always stress SAFETY. There are lots of non-member rookies visiting this site by the hour and we must always talk safety.