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New Powermatic 4224B vs Oneway 2436

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Keith Barrett, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. Keith Barrett

    Keith Barrett

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    I've been having trouble finding anyone who has much direct exposure to the new powermatic 4224B lathe, and was wondering if anyone had any input as to whether it was worth the money and how it compared to the Oneway 2436.

    I currently have a Jet 1442 that I've had for a few years, and it works well, but I find myself limited by the lathe all to frequently (reeves, speed selection, weight, swing). I have access to a sawmill and therefore a ready supply of large timbers (I have 8 24" x 7" Pecan bowl blanks waxed in my basement, along with some hefty oak, not to mention a large hickory tree that is headed my way). I do mostly bowls and hollow vessels, but still do spindles as well from time to time.

    I had considered building my own (I'm just that way sometimes), but I had pretty much decided to go with the Oneway a few months ago (I *just* missed one sold on craigslist by a jilted wife for $500 (five hundred!!!:eek:), but now that the Powermatic has come out, I'm having second thoughts. I've also considered the Stubby, Robust and Serious (and still do from time to time). I'm not in a hurry (yet), but I'm curious as to what everyone knows (or thinks) about the new one.
     
  2. Bill Blasic

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    Keith,
    If I were you I would find a way to try the lathe you're going to buy. I found that I like cast iron and do not like steel so much. At one point I bought the Powermatic 3520b and told my wife that it was a stepping stone to the American Beauty. After using it the first day I told my wife that the 3520b would do everything I needed it to do. My club has a Oneway and I used one at a class at Craft Supplies and I just prefer Cast to steel. I am intrigued by the new 4224b and am seriously considering adding it to the stable. That is a personal thing so like I said try before you buy.
    Bill
     
  3. For me, the sliding headstock alone is a major selling point. The new Powermatic is an excellent, versatile lathe - I saw it in San Jose and played with the controls a bit (...since there were no tires to kick!). I will be getting a Robust American Beauty as my next lathe purchase (and hopefully soon!), but the PM 4224B is the only other contender I would consider right now. I have turned on, and like the Oneway 2436 a lot (it is extremely well built), but I still consider the Robust AB perhaps the best lathe for my purposes that I can buy right now (....the so-called "last lathe you'll buy"). Eliminating the need to lean over the bed of a fixed headstock lathe is a HUGE improvement. The PM 4224 is very well thought out and well-built as well, but with a bit more versatility and ergonomic improvements - this would tip the scale for me in favor of the Powermatic over the Oneway.

    Good luck with your decision!

    Rob
     
  4. MichaelMouse

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    Why lean? Are the ways broader than the length of your handles, or are you making big hollows with no sidewinder handle?
     
  5. cwearing

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    You cannot go wrong with the Robust. The product and Brent are top notch!
     
  6. robo hippy

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    The biggest difference between steel and cast iron is the noises it makes. Reminds me of upgrading a hang glider years ago, and first flight in the new glider freaked me out because of the different noises it made in the air (frame, wires, etc.) After a few hours of air time, the noises were comforting because I got used to them. There are no rust problems with the steel ways, though I never had them with the PM 3520A I turned on for so many years. Just got used to the black ways.

    I do prefer the sliding headstock. Your turning methods will vary with a long bed lathe as compared to a short bed lathe, and I learned with the headstock slid down to the end and standing off the end of the lathe to turn bowls and hollow forms. Much more comfortable to me. It drives me crazy to see some one use a sliding headstock or pivoting headstock lathe and not use that option. I prefer a push cut to a pull cut for finish cuts, and this is much easier with a short bed lathe so you don't have to extend your arms in the method that Stuart Batty uses.

    I do like the new PM. Well thought out. However, given that the cost is very close to the American Beauty, I would choose it over the PM. I have thought about dampening the vibrations of the steel tube by injecting some of that expanding insulation foam, or maybe sand. Haven't done that yet though. Another advantage to the Beauty, I need speeds of 10 to 20 rpm for sanding my warped bowls. Brent helped me program the phase converter so it would do that. The 3520A used to do that, but when they switched to the B, they set low speed to 50 rpm. Way too fast for sanding warped bowls while they spin. They will not let you do it your self, but there is a thread here where it is explained. Also, if you need some help with some thing, you talk to Brent, rather than some technician who has to read a manual to find out what you are talking about.

    robo hippy
     
  7. Keith Barrett

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    Thanks for the thoughts so far. I just found a demonstration scheduled this weekend of the 4224 with Nick Cook, so I'm going to try to make it there.

    I do like the AB as well, but was concerned about steel vs cast iron. The sand idea was intriguing though. It's a good thing I'm not in a hurry to make up my mind.
     
  8. Frank Kobilsek

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    Keith

    I suspect Nick will also be in the Powermatic booth at IWF. The show runs 22nd to 25th of this month at the Georgia World Congress Center downtown Atlanta. Many in the turning world can be seen at IWF either as demostrators, working thier non-turning day job or just visiting the show.

    If you want to meet me and/or learn about laminating stop by Black Bros. at booth #5713.

    Frank
     
  9. Thomas Stegall

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    Robo,

    Your last sentence there is probably the best selling point for the Robust or Oneway over a powermatic or any other lathe. And for those of us who have been stung by poor customer service, it really hits home!
     
  10. john lucas

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    Nick will also be demonstrating the lathe in Franklin, TN at theWoodcraft but I don't remember the date. I thought I wrote it down but apparently not. I looked over the lathe and really like it but then I've been very happy with my Powermatic 3520A. I would like to play with it more. Right now my 3520 does almost all I need and can be modified to do the few things It won't right now. However I want to keep my options open for the future and consequently will look at all the current more upscale models.
     
  11. Bill Boehme

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    Reed,

    You mentioned a difference in sound. Later, you mentioned vibration. Are you referring to two different things? Just wondering because it seems to me that sound or noise can be heard, but not necessarily felt, and vice versa. Of course, sometimes it is both. You are probably turning much larger stuff than I turn. I have turned on a Powermatic 3520B and for the past year on my Robust AB and neither one vibrated when there was not a good reason (such as off balance chunk of wood) nor did the frame of either have an audible resonance.
     
  12. hockenbery

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    Oneway has short bed options too.
    A 17" extension on the outboard side of the long bed lathes gives you full time short bed.
    The short bed lathes are another option.
     
  13. robo hippy

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    The only time my Robust vibrates is when I am coring out a bigger bowl. Mostly this is because it is almost impossible to attach the tailstock while coring. I learned on a 3520A, and most of the time didn't even have the tailstock on the lathe. The headstock spindle and the housing for it does extend out a bit farther on the Robust, and the Oneway (can't remember about the new big PM) by about 2 inches, than it did on my PM. This housing or whatever it is called, can be unbolted, so you can remove it to change bearings or the belt, some thing you could not do on the PM. I guess another part of that extra extension is for access to the bottom of the bowl when it is reversed, which to me is not needed as mine are finished turned before reversing. Some times I get a tiny bit vibration when I am getting really aggressive with my roughing cuts. This is when on the outside of a larger bowl.

    To me, another buying point for the Robust is MADE IN THE USA.

    robo hippy
     
  14. hockenbery

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    The Robust American beauty is one fine lathe.

    ONEWAY, Robust, Stubby, powermatic, Vicmark.

    Each might be best for you. Maybe the first decision is whether you like sliding stuff or not.
    I prefer a fixed head stock but that is me.

    I rarely want to use a short bed lathe. If I'd did I wold much prefer having a 17" bed on one side of the ONEWAY.

    There are lots of folks who love sliding headstocks.
    There are lots of folks who don't like sliding headstocks.
    And both are right!
     
  15. Keith Barrett

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    I've found the sliding headstock on my current one to be useful, but as long as I can turn outboard safely I think I can work well either way. The way my shop is currently configured the sliding headstock would probably work better, but I suspect I'm going to have to reconfigure anyway. The good news is that moving from 14 to 24 or 25" will severly reduce the amount of outboard work i have to do.
     
  16. davidwalser

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    Allow me to add Serious (http://serioustoolworks.com/wood-lathes.php) to your list of top-of-the-line lathes worthy of consideration. Close to 1,600lbs of cast iron woodturning love!

    Once I expand my shop (which won't be for a few more years), I'll make room for a new lathe from one of the makes listed above. It's nice to have so many worthy choices.
     
  17. Keith Barrett

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    I may get a look at the PM tonight, but does anyone know a place near north Atlanta I could try some of these others (AB, Oneway, Stubby, etc)?
     
  18. robo hippy

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    Perhaps try contacting the manufacturers, or the local clubs. Some of the companies are headed to Texas this weekend.

    robo hippy
     
  19. hockenbery

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    Keith I sent you a pm.

    Don Geiger is probably the closest Robust Dealer. Give him a call see PM for details.
     
  20. Keith Barrett

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    well, I saw the 4224 in action yesterday. I have to say it's impressive (at least to me). Next step is a close up look at the AB, and I'm working on that as we speak. The Oneway seems to be fading a bit, because of the sliding headstocks on the other two. I definitely didn't leave with a bad impression of the yellow monster though.
     

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