Owners poll- 18" X 47" lathes

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  1. kevinkabby

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    I recieved the new headstock about 2 weeks ago. I finally went to switch it out yesterday....and it didn't even turn on. Jet 1642 EVS2 here I come.
     
  2. Roger Chandler

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    I wonder how all these things occur to a particular customer? Unexplainable!

    Supposition makes one speculate if the vendor[Laguna] is canabalizing parts from units and just putting something out there and hoping it will work. No way to know, but something is causing these repeated problems.

    I only know that if it were my company, and my customer, I would get a certified tech to make sure this replacement was right, and try to salvage what customer confidence might be left at this point.

    good luck with your efforts to move forward Kevin.
     
  3. Fred Lockwood

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    One could be forgiven for suspecting that Laguna is trying to tell you something Kevin, you certainly are being singled out for treatment!

    Let's hope you will have a better experience with the Jet.
     

  4. Did you plug it in? . . . Sorry , couldn't resist and I know that isn't funny . The devil made me do it . . lol

    Aren't Jet and Laguna and their counterparts all made in China . ?

    A lemon can happen with anything regardless of what name is on it whether if cost a thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars..

    I really think you should have got a whole new lathe for all the troubles you have had because 99% of turners that have the Laguna ones (by various brand names) are more than happy with them (myself included) . I ordered the attachment for turning up to 30" platters etc a couple days ago while it was on sale for $69.00

    I wish you the best of luck with the Jet when you get it. You deserve a streak of good luck after what you have been through .
     
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  5. kevinkabby

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    3 lemons in a row? Jet is actually made in tiawan. their quality standards are higher than the plant where laguna buys their crap from.

    Laguna told me that they had a whole container of lathes they are returning...I don't think we are gettting the whole audience on this website
     
  6. Don't know about the bigger Jet lathes but the two smaller Jet lathes I owned previously had made in China printed all over them and they had some quality issues of their own. More than I have had so far with my 18/47 lathe.
     
  7. Roger Chandler

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    Wow,

    A whole container of lathes? I think about what William spoke of "the majority of owners being happy with their lathes." I wish I could account for the difference with most of us and Kevin's experience. My Grizzly G0698 has really impressed me with its performance and I have not had the first issue of any sort.

    other than quality control, or lack of it, on the Laguna lineup, what could possibly cause 3 different units to all be lemons with the Laguna 18/47? This is just confusing........what gives? :confused::(
     
  8. Sure . . . like we believe that ? ? ? ? ?

    Anybody that has bought one of those lathes knows about the big wooden box over a self contained pallet all screwed together with metal bands around them that they are packed in and all the pieces are bolted down inside for safe delivery .
    So they unpacked a whole container full of those lathes (how many thousand in a container?) one by one and set them up and plugged them in to check everything out and put them all back into their boxes and sent them all back because they were all defective ?

    I think not . .

    Does anyone here detect a little teensy weensy tiny bit of sour grapes from the one in a million that had a bad experience and seems to be stretching a few points about it ? ;)
     
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  9. Vaughn

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    I'd guess a standard 40' container would hold a fair number of lathes on pallets, but nowhere near a thousand. Maybe a dozen or so. Based on reports I've seen on the Laguna lathe from others, it's conceivable that a dozen or more have been returned to Laguna by unhappy customers.

    The only hyperbole I'm seeing is yours. (Thousands of lathes in a container? One in a million that had a bad experience? Math much?) :rolleyes:
     
  10. Thanks for the link on the capacity of the containers.

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    I realize I overstated on that part. They just looked big to me and I don't know if they pack them from the floor to the ceiling in there or just a few layers deep. .. Certainly way more than a dozen or so . . .
    Oh well , who would ever believe they would uncrate a whole container full of them and check every one out and send them all back.
    Well . . . I guess some would believe it. ;)
     
  11. kevinkabby

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    Fred

    I am past being mad about this peice of shit brand lathe. I am giving you verbatum what "Jason" from laguna told me. Originally my salesman told me that they only had a one in ten problem ratio with the lathes...I thought that was alot. That is 10 % if you need help with the math.
     
  12. Chuck Beland

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    A good friend of mine had all the same problems that Kevin is having. They finally refunded his money & he bought a Jet 1642 EVS I was thinking of getting the Laguna but instead got the same Jet 1642 EVS all I can say is that I love the Jet. Since I have had excellent luck with my Jet mini I got it's big brother.

    Kevin,
    Sorry about all the problems make them give you a total refund then get a Jet or PM.
     
  13. kevinkabby

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    You need parts...2 days. Plus the warantee
     
  14. Mark Warden

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    96 Lathes in a standard container:cool2:
     
  15. Roger Chandler

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    What we have learned from all the posts, so far...

    So far after reviewing the postings we have come to this understanding of the overall lineup of 18/47 lathes.

    1. Most owners are satisfied with theirs, some very much so.
    2. The line that has been problematic is the Laguna line.
    3.Laguna seems to have customer service issues.
    4. Grizzly, Busy Bee and Hare & Forbes owners have had much better experience with their versions.
    5. We cannot account for the differences, but at least I suspect there is a quality control and inspection issue with Laguna.......that is where my question comes down, and I don't have any explanation for the differences.

    What is your take? How do you account for the differences?

    At some point we will allow this thread to diminish [to the delight of some, I am sure :D] but we need to try and understand the issues before the thread goes away........

    Thanks to all who have participated, and your posts have helped a lot of folks!
     
  16. Vaughn

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    Who said Laguna uncrated them, checked them out and returned them? The implication in the previous posts was that they had been returned by customers. Try to keep up.

    Where'd you get that figure? Based on the dimensions in the Grizzly catalog, that lathe (L x H x W) takes up a bit over 42 cubic feet. The 40' container holds 2390 cubic feet. At the most, that would be 57 lathes (rounding up the decimal), and that would only happen if the lathe pallets were stacked and happened to exactly fit into the interior space of the container. :cool:
     
  17. Roger Chandler

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    Dye-ing on the 18/47

    I thought I would post of a dyed piece I was challenged to do by Steve Schlumpf, on SMC.

    Rit clothes dye mixed with denatured alcohol, and in these pics the finish is newly wet, and is rattle can lacquer, my first time using it. The wet finish does not make for a good representation of the piece, and I will have to sand it back and reapply for final results.

    The Grizzly G0698 was just superb in all aspects of this, including the hollowing. After having turned on 2 different PM3520b's, and watching a number of Jet 16/42's I am soooooo pleased with my Grizzly G0698 18/47! It is just a smooth as the Jet and PM, and has features that match up well with them,
    2hp, reversing, VFD, easy belt change for speed ranges, solidly locking banjo, tool rest , and tail stock. Quill travel of 4-3/8 inches. So far my G0698 has been superb! :)

    Sorry about the pics.....there was an internal server error message, and it could not process the request....something on the servers is not working properly.
     
  18. Mark Warden

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    Your correct if they would ship them assembled but they don't. The shipping size is 23 cf give or take so they would fit just fine they have decking in the containers so stacking is not a problem. The weight becomes the issue 59400 lbs 98 lathes@ 547 lbs 53606 lbs 1000 lbs decking so yes I was wrong you could get 8 more lathes on thats what I get for doing it in my head.


    Where'd you get that figure? Based on the dimensions in the Grizzly catalog, that lathe (L x H x W) takes up a bit over 42 cubic feet. The 40' container holds 2390 cubic feet. At the most, that would be 57 lathes (rounding up the decimal), and that would only happen if the lathe pallets were stacked and happened to exactly fit into the interior space of the container. :cool:[/QUOTE]
     
  19. Vaughn

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    Thanks for the correction and clarification. ;)
     
  20. Same here .
    When I see those containers on rail cars on the numerous trains that go through here I had imagined that they would hold a lot more . They looks so big sitting up on those flat deck cars and quite often they are double stacked one on top of each other.

    Thanks for taking the time to figure out dimensions and weight etc.
     

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