Owners poll- 18" X 47" lathes

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Roger Chandler, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. David Stratton

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    I ordered the GO698

    Due in large part to the comments and reviews given here I took the plunge and ordered the Grizzly. It is on back order and they have an aprox. date of November 29. I'll tell you, I am really looking forward to getting this lathe. Like all manufacturers Grizzly has its good performers and its not so good. From everything I hear here I think I will be happy. With the current sale on the Nova lathe I was tempted to go that way but when I added up the bed extension and the leg set I just could not justify the money. I have a Grizzly vertical belt sander that I have had for about 18 years and it has been a "great" machine. I am expecting that this lathe will last me just as well. Thanks for the discussion and helping me decide. David
     
  2. I wish you the best of luck with your lathe when it arrives and I feel certain you will be just as pleased with it as the vast majority are.
    The reason they are back-ordered is because so many are buying them because of it having features found only in much more expensive lathes and is as good if not better than some of the ones with a better known "brand" name. .
    Same with the hardware for turning up to 30" items off the right hand end of the bed. Busy Bee got a big shipment in and sold them all out at $79.00 . Then they got another shipment and put them on sale at $69.00 and sold out again.
    When I ordered mine last week they said the only way to get one on the next shipment in December is to put a ten dollar deposit on one. (which I did) Without a deposit it could mean waiting for yet another shipment after that. . The manufacturer apparently can't make those lathes and attachments fast enough to keep up with orders for them in the various countries where they are being distributed.

    We will be looking forward to you joining all the rest of the satisfied users of the 18/47 lathes and you will be very happy knowing that you have got such a fine piece of machinery at such a reasonable price.
     
  3. Roger Chandler

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    Congratulations David,

    If your new Grizzly performs like mine has, then you will be a happy camper! I have turned on 2 Powermatic 3520b's, and have several friends who have the Jet 16/42, and have watched several demos on the Jet. The Grizzly will hold its own with both! It is smooth, and has features like the PM and Jet, but does not come with the cage [which most turners take off anyway]

    I really am pleased with mine............good luck!
     
  4. David Stratton

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    Chucks

    As seems to be the rule I am now faced with a whole new challenge. I have several chucks that I use with my Rikon mini lathe, 1x8 thread. The Grizzly has a 1-1/4x8 spindle. Several suppliers have adapters to allow use of my old chucks on the new lathe. They all appear to be a little different from one another in material (steel vs aluminum) and through hole or not. Have any of you had experience, good or bad with these? Guess I will also need to get another spindle tap for making my own wood chucks. Any suggestions?
     
  5. Fred Lockwood

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    Personally I am not a fan of spindle adapters, other than the ones that screw over the spindle and into the chuck, eg like the Nova and the Vicmarc. I certainly wouldn't want to use a spindle adapter made out of aluminum on a lathe as powerful as the 18x47, particularly given its' top speed of 3200.

    You also have to consider that you would effectively be extending the length of the spindle and putting extra strain on the bearings.

    If your chucks are dedicated thread and don't use screw-in adapters I would suggest selling them and starting with new ones, and looking at getting chucks that use screw in adapters for future flexibility. I have a Nova G3 and a Vicmarc VM120, were I to start over I would stick to Vicmarc only.
     
  6. kevinkabby

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    jet vs. 18/47

    I just got the new jet lathe. I compared them both side by side. The only thing the 18/47 has on the jet is that it is slightly larger.

    The jet:

    Smootheness -I spun the handwheel and let it keep spinning. Couldn't do that on the laguna. I am guessing better bearings. I even disconnected the belt on the laguna and it couldn't come close to comparing. It got about 1/4 of a turn.

    It has a better inverter....hands down. It is a delta. The motor is also fan cooled and seems to be larger.

    It has more torque. The laguna would bog down and then receive more power. I turned a 14 diameter blank to see how much power it had. Couldn't bog it down at 1000 rpms with scary heavy cuts.

    The pullys were polished on the jet so which makes them much more smooth than the laguna.

    The live center is also of better quality.

    The center of the ways is machined on the jet with very little play side to side. On the laguna, it wasn't machined and had undulations.

    By using both side by side...there is no comparison. The 18/47 is no comparison to the jet 16/42 evs2. Only way I see that it is a good buy is if you pay the price from grizzly..not laguna.

    You pay for what you get!!
     
  7. Roger Chandler

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    Kevin,

    I am so glad you finally got a lathe you like! I have been up close and personal with a few Jet 16/42's while friends were turning on them........several of our club members have them.........they are nice indeed!

    I have also actually turned on 2 different Powermatic 3520b's and they are nice as well.........real nice........but my Grizzly 60698 was just as smooth as them both, and actually at a higher rpm, it was smoother than one of the 3520b's I turned on. After your experience with the Laguna, I can understand why you feel the way you do......all our opinions are subjective based upon our own experiences. My experience with the Grizzly G0698 has been that it performs as well as the Jet 16/42 and the PM3520b. Of course that is my opinion based upon what I have witnessed first hand, and seen up close.

    While the bed on the PM 3520b is machined a little smoother that my Grizzly, I feel like the Grizzly matches up well with performance and features. As for the motor, my manual says the motor on the G0698 is totally enclosed, fan cooled.

    I am not sure why the differences exits in the Laguna's that you had, and the satisfaction that I and others have experienced with our 18/47's, but at least you got your issues dealt with and hopefully going forward, you will be a satisfied customer with your new Jet 16/42. Just be aware that any make can have their issues, and some of the Jets have had a history of motor problems [knocking] but Jet will replace it if it happens, and they stand behind their product.

    That is what we all wish for you....and let me say that the pics of some of your work [urns] I have seen are really nice.......good work for sure!

    Thanks for participating in this thread......your information was helpful to a number of folks, no doubt.
     
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  8. Roger Chandler

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    David,

    I have a spindle adapter [steel] from Penn State Industries, and it is high quality and has no runout. It is different in shape from the generic picture they use on the website, but it is quality for sure. It does fit over the spindle and will reduce to 1x8 and is reasonably priced.

    I have heard from a couple others who got the same adapter, and they are very happy with it as well, because of the quality and no runout. you will need a large wrench to remove it from the spindle [just so you know] I purchased a large adjustable wrench to take care of it.
     
  9. kevinkabby

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    Well Rog,

    I put both lathes next to each other and compared the differences. Everything I have stated was absolutely true. My shop neighbor could not believe the difference. It seriously is a much better designed machine. You can see it in the details. Have you compared them side by side?
     
  10. Roger Chandler

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    No dispute at all with you Kevin........I have no doubt that your assessment of the 2 units you compared are as you stated. I have turned on several different lathes including ones more expensive than my G0698 and I got just as good performance. That is the way it happened in my experience with the PM3520b and G0698. The Jet 16/42's were ones my friends were turning on and I was standing close observing.

    I have had other turners who own the Jet 16/42 [a neighbor down the street, and member of our local club, and an owner of a 3520b, member of our club], that have seen my lathe speak of how impressed they were with it as well. Again, no dispute.......just our experiences, like your experiences have shown you what you state.

    I am really glad for you and hope you get great service and longevity from your new Jet unit. I almost purchased that same lathe before I got the Grizzly.......it was a real toss-up for me, and I am sure I would have enjoyed the Jet very much.......it is a good machine.

    I really like the urn on your avitar.........a truly nice work! :)
     
  11. Roger Chandler

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    Honest consideration of my unit

    I have been doing a bit of thinking as to the performance I have gotten from my Grizzly G0698 and the reports from others like Fred Lockwood [H&F Woodmaster 18/47, and William Young [BB 18/47] and then the 2 negative reports of the Laguna line.

    While there will be those who read this and say I am biased because I own the Grizzly unit, however, my truly honest assessment is a good one.

    I turned a cedar log today that a friend brought by. Making some lidded boxes, and other bigger items as I get to the work. The log is about 8 -10 inches in diameter, and was full of branch knots. The Grizzly G0698 just performed flawlessly again. It was a lot of work to turn the thing balanced, but the lathe really performed so well, and I had the belt on the high setting which is less torque than the low belt setting.

    As I think about my particular unit........I honestly don't see how I could get any better performance out of it. It is smooth, quiet, easy to work with, indexes, accepts my vacuum system, reverses, has 3 phase VFD on single phase 220V, has 2 hp and the motor stays cool, the banjo and tailstock lock up solid on the ways, the centers align dead on, the quill travels 4-3/8 inches, and has been a pleasure to turn on. Zero frustration as far as the lathe itself goes, although a bit with myself at times.

    This unit is new on the market, and the trust factor is not where units that have been on the market for years already has...........so I just wanted to let folks know that in my again, honest opinion, this lathe will do a great job for you. I have no affiliation with Grizzly or any other company for that matter........I am just an avid woodworker and tool junkie, that is very particular about performance from my woodworking machines.

    This G0698 that I have has been great and a real bargain as far as price/performance.

    This is my true and honest review of the Grizzly G0698.
     
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  12. Roger
    I agree with all of the above because it holds true for the same lathe as I have apart from name and color.

    One thing that has really been pleasing me just lately is that I have been making a lot of wood coffee mugs with stainless steel liners because they are selling so good.
    I could not drill those out with my previous lathe without overheating and taking the temper out of the large forstner bits because my lowest speed was only 500 rpm.
    With the new EVS lathe and a new 2 1/8 forstner bit it just plays with cutting out all that end grain at 250 rpm with no overheating of the bit and I get shavings coming out instead of sawdust like I used to . That lathe has more power than I will ever need and is a joy to use.
    I can understand why they are on back order lately. The demand is greater than the supply because they have so many features of the much more expensive "brand" name lathes . Sometimes a person can pay a lot more on a recogonized brand name. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see the price of these Laguna style lathes go up in price in time as they get better known. .
    Of course by then something else will come out equally as good and at a better price and the cycle starts all over again.
     
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  13. Roger Chandler

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    Willaim,

    You might just have a point! When I get on these forums, there are times when it seems that there are guys out there that just do not believe what you, I, and others have experienced with our units.

    To some, if it is not a Powermatic or Jet, then it has no trust factor. My unit has truly impressed me. The more I use it the more I am glad I got the Grizzly G0698..........It has just performed so well.

    Oh well, in time, when they can get the units from China, and get them to those who order, then I think the reputation of the Grizzly and BB will increase all over!

    Good to hear about your success with the drilling and other work you have done on yours.........just goes to prove our points! ;):D
     
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  14. David Stratton

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    Thanks for the input Roger. I looked at my two other main sources for turning tools and the adapters run $55 to $60. While that is definitely less money than new chucks it is good to know I can get the one from Penn for a third of that. Thanks.
     
  15. Roger Chandler

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    You are most welcome, David. I hope you get up and running before to long. I have had pretty good luck with PennState Industries. One time I had to wait on a backorder, but most of the time they are really good.
     
  16. Roger Chandler

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    My latest session - nearly a year later

    Yesterday I turned a cedar log into a bowl for someone who through a friend gave us both some of the log that had been down nearly 2 years. I had made a box and intended to top it with a lid for the person, but the box cracked big time while it was still in the chuck being turned, so I went back and got the rest of that particular blank and made a bowl for the person.

    During the turning, I looked away :eek: [a no no, for sure, a] and of course I got a BIG CATCH! Well, it stopped the lathe, and all I had to do was turn the lathe off, and hit the reset button, turn on the unit, and off she went, smooth as ever.

    The Grizzly G0698 is an impressive machine.....it has done everything I have asked of it since I got it nearly a year ago, and has performed so well, that I can surely recommend it.

    In the beginning when I was uneducated about inverters, I had concern about the hunt at low rpm............well, this unit has gotten better as I have used it..........

    I sanded at below 140 rpm on the high belt setting yesterday with no hunt at all [zero] I wonder what it would have done on the low belt setting? What I am saying is that performance from this lathe has actually gotten better the more I use it.

    I am one that takes good care of my machines, and go out of my way to keep them clean and properly adjusted, sharp knives [jointer, planer, saw blades, router bits, etc.] and I am very particular about keeping them in optimal running condition. Rarely, have I had any machine that just keeps on making me glad that I got the one I did, but it is true with this lathe, and my table saw also [Delta].

    I am not trying to be a salesman for Grizzly, for sure [no affiliation] but at the very beginning right after I ordered the unit, I mentioned that when I got it, and used it along, that I would give some ongoing reviews. I think long term performance and reliability is what people are after, and it was certainly my thinking when I wrestled between the Jet 16/42 evs, and the Grizzly G0698.

    So far I have had absolutely no regrets getting the Grizzly G0698, and now having turned on a couple different PM 3520b's and seeing several Jet 16/42's up close and watching demos on them, I am very glad I have gotten the G0698. The performance is there for sure, and absolutely no issues at all with the unit.

    I don't know how to characterize what my initial expectations were, but I know they were high, and not one disappointment to date with the Grizzly G0698.
    This is my honest review as of this date.
     
  17. I have the Craftex CT18/47 counterpart to yours.


    I have had mine stop on a severe overload like that but only on high range (so far). I have never had to touch the reset button yet. When it did that I imediately hit the stop button and then the start button and awy it went again.

    The only time mine will hunt (and that is ever so slightly) is between 0 and 15 rpm. Who uses that low a speed anyway.

    I have been making a lot of wood coffee mugs with stainless steel liners lately. I turned two more this afternoon along with several other items.
    I use a 2 1/8 forstner bit and go 5.75" deep in end grain before hogging out the actual taper of the liner. I was drilling out one this afternoon that was hard elm with lots of grain pattern . Had the speed set at 250 to save my bit from over heating . No matter how hard I fed the bit in the digital readout stayed dead on 250 . Power to no end and pulling out nice end grain shavings. I have had tools with a regular 220 motor that claimed to be 2 HP that didn't have half the power of this one. Don't know if it has something to do with the 3 phase motor and inverter for 220 but it sure is not under rated in the least.

    Likewise .
    I could not be happier than I am with the performance of my CT128 and I sure have turned a ton of stuff on it so far and put it through its paces from tiny things like pens to 17" diameter solid oak turnings. I seldom turn pens anymore because everyone and his uncle are turning pens on mini lathes and giving them away or selling them for the price of the hardware which ruins the sales aspect of turning them so most of my turnings are fairly large . I started a series of thirteen consecutive Saturday Craft sales back in September and only have 4 more to go up until Dec 18 . I have been turning a LOT of things on my lathe trying to keep ahead of sales but never seen to catch up with all the fastest sellers.
     
  18. Roger Chandler

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    William,

    Thanks for your post. I really like the information you give about your 18/47, especially about the drilling with the large forstner bit. For a lathe to do what you are doing, and in the volume you are doing it in........well, it just shows that this line up is not a piece of _______ like some have stated.

    I have not stalled my lathe on the low belt setting ever, but on the high one, that catch did stop it [totally my fault, as I got momentarily distracted and looked away] and the lathe was running at about 1350 rpm on the high belt setting. I just went to the reset as a matter of course, thinking that was the correct way to do it, but I suppose I could have just turned it off and back on.

    I do know on the low belt setting, there is a lot more torque, and when I have turned out of balance log blanks, I have to be very precise in the way I present my gouge, because that lathe just powers through, and I had better make sure of where the gouge is cutting at all times. I have drilled pepper mills, and the lathe does not even act as if there is any load on it at all.

    I heard from another guy who ordered a Grizzly G0698 yesterday, and Grizzly said they are to get a shipment in on 12/3 and will ship on 12/9, so those who have one on order already will get theirs first. He was told he would have his by Christmas for sure.

    Hope things go well with your craft sales, and happy holidays!
     
  19. James E Gaydos

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    Hi Rodger,
    After a serious health scare in late September, I decided to upgrade to a larger lathe. I'm OK now.
    Like John Jordan says, Life is to short to turn crappy wood, it's also to short to turn on a mini lathe all the time.
    I ordered a Grizzly 18 x 47, was told it would be in by late Nov. Grizzly called me on the 23rd and I went to Williamsport on Black Friday and picked up the lathe. I live about 2 1/2 Hours away and saved a lot on the delivery charge. I set the lathe up that evening but was to tired to turn.
    I didn't get to use it untill this past Friday, Dec 3rd.
    There were a few things to do, file some sharp cast iron edges, the spindle threads needed to be filed, there was some roughness to the machining, this needs to be addressed by Grizzly. Other than that I was very impressed with the fit and finish of this lathe.
    I mounted a 5" x 8" x 12" half log between centers and fired it up. I was testing it with an out of balance piece to see what and where the vibration would be, and at what speed. At about 600 RPM's it did a bit of a creep on the floor, I thought that was OK, and decided to turn something.

    I mounted a 7" x 12" piece of Red Oak to make an end grain hollow form.
    To make a long story shorter, I was able to rough turn to shape, I then drilled it out with a 2 1/4" Forrester bit to a depth of 5", this wood was very wet and it steamed off as I drilled it.
    I finished hollowing, and decided to cut the form off of the log. I wanted to get two forms from the log.
    I was cutting with a 3/16" diamond parting tool, and the tool got stuck in the cut, I apparently did not cut a wide enough area, and could not get the tool out.
    As I was reaching for the off switch, I heard a loud pop. Everything stopped.
    There was a little puff of smoke coming from the inverter box.
    After turning everything off and unplugging the lathe, I started to look for the what the H-ll happened.
    Up to this point the lathe was a joy to use, it was great to stand at the end to hollow turn, and not lean over the bed, the tool rest moved about with very little effort, and I was having a good time.
    The 20 amp breaker in my sub-panel was tripped, and according to the Grizzly manual their is a fuse in the inverter box.
    I checked the box and the fuse was gone, only the ends and a few shards of glass were left.

    OK, a blown fuse, not a big deal, right.
    This is a 20 amp 250 volt fuse, so off to the hardware store I go. This is not a little store, its a local guy and they seam to have it all, most of the time.
    But not this time, I ended up searching for a fuse that, I'm almost possitive only can be found in China. Graingers did not have it, Radio Shack did not have it, nor did Auto Zone, Lowe's, or two other auto parts shops.

    I called Grizzly tech support first thing this morning, they seamed to be concerned about the problem, untill I asked them where I could get this fuse. I told them all the places I had been to with no results. They told me that this had never happened before. I asked again where I could get this fuse, I wanted to know what Grizzly was going to do to help me, he then offered to send me one that he would take out of another machine.
    This is not sitting well with me at all.
    I hope that I have not got a lemon of a lathe. The tech was concerned that it might be something with the inverter.

    I wanted to scream, holler, jump up and down and curse, naa, not worth it.
    I told the tech that this must be resolved within seven days, or I will return the machine.
    Wish me luck, Jim.
     
  20. Roger Chandler

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    James,

    Sorry to hear about your mishap. Getting a parting tool stuck is an unusual thing, and that is the first I have heard of a fuse blowing. Most likely, Grizzly will send you a new fuse, and they will indeed back up their warranty. They have a solid reputation for customer service.

    I do not think you have gotten a lemon of a lathe. I can tell you, mine has exceeded my initial expectations, and has been flawless in its operation. I think you will get things back together, and since you have a new unit, should you have additional issues getting it up and going, Grizzly will give you product support.

    That must have been quite an experience with the lathe trying to spin and the parting tool stuck. That would create a tremendous amount of stress on the electronics, but the fuse most likely prevented permanent damage, but again, Grizzly will help you get it fixed.

    One reason I went with Grizzly was because I wanted availability of parts and service in time to come should I ever need it. So far, after nearly a year with some heavy use, I have not had a single issue with my G0698.

    My spindle was really machined well, and the one thing I did do was to take a dremel tool and make a little place on the last thread for the set screw on my SuperNova2 chuck to set into without messing up the threads. Make sure you always back the set screw out before removing the chuck to protect the threads.

    A couple of times I have had a big catch while turning [both my fault] and it stopped the lathe [as it is designed to do] and I turned the unit off, hit the reset button, turned it back on, and off it goes, [a wonderful safety device to protect the electronics]

    Let us know how it goes when you get the new fuse from Grizzly. Also, I purchased some new belts for my unit [just wanted to have some spares in case I might ever need them] so if you are interested in that, you can get them from Grizzly, but I got mine from Belts4less.com.

    James, good luck with this, I think you will get it resolved, and end up happy with your unit. Feel free to send me a private message if I can be of help! :)

    By the way, I put a shelf on the bottom using the castings in the legs. I have some wood blanks on it, and few tools in blow molded cases, and that additional ballast has been helpful. The shelf stiffens the unit from end to end, and the extra weight dampens vibrations on out of balance blanks. I have not had but very little vibration with the ballast, but one does have to find the "sweet spot" on the rpm's until the blank gets turned into balance somewhat, but that is like most all other lathes, as well.
     
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