Owners poll- 18" X 47" lathes

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Roger Chandler, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. Likewise to Rogers message.

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    Thanks Roger for the beltsforless info . I still have the original belt on mine and it has done a ton of turning and it still looks almost like new but wouldn't hurt to have a spare belt on hand just in case .
    I will check out the site you provided and I will also slip the belt off my lathe when I get a chance and take it to my local NAPA auto parts store and compare prices and quality before ordering a spare from either source.
     
  2. Roger Chandler

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    part number for belt

    William,

    Here is the part number for the belts at belts4less.com

    Product Name: J-POLY-V BELT
    Our Price: $2.28
    Availability: CALL FOR AVAILABILITY
    Product Number: 210J6
    Product Weight: 0.08 lb.
    Rating:

    I went to your website..........you have some really nice turnings!
     
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  3. Roger Chandler

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    James,

    I was thinking about your experience............I know how unsettling it must have been for you to get a tool stuck and blow a fuse right out of the gate, and then could not find a fuse locally.

    That being said, I just wanted to say a little about my understanding of this Grizzly G0698. I have done some comparison with my unit to the PM3520b, and the Jet 16/42 EVS. Both are recognized as good units in turning circles and have the reputation.

    I have turned on 2 different 3520b units, and they are nice indeed. They did not however perform any better than my G0698. They were just a good, and the 3520b is heavier, and I think has a better banjo, but one would naturally expect that from a unit that costs over twice as much. The Jet 16/42 performs on a par with the Grizzly G0698, but the Grizzly has more swing and distance between centers and weighs more.

    some parts on the PM3520b and Jet are identical to some of the parts on the Grizzly G0698, so there is a connection somewhere in manufacturing. Also, there have been a number of reported problems with the Jets with the motors knocking, but Jet is fixing them by replacement as they are reported, and I have heard of problems some the the PM3520b's have had as well ...........so I just wanted to say that any make can have a problem.

    Your issue was created by the stuck parting tool, and will most likely be resolved by Grizzly with the new fuse, but if there are additional problems, then Grizzly does stand behind their products. I do think you have a good lathe, but just had a very unfortunate mishap. I hope this gives you a second breath, and gives you the confidence to see the repair through.

    Let us know how it goes, and feel free to send me a PM if you wish and feel I can be of help!
     
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  4. Thanks Roger. What you see on my PictureTrail Albums site is a small sampling of my turnings. The balance is on Photobucket because Picturetrail charges after so many albums and Photobucket has about 20 times the free space where I have another 20 albums. I keep Photobucket locked though because it also contains some personal folders and albums.

    WOW ! !
    $2.28 per belt ?
    Heck of a good price.
    I won't even bother checking with NAPA because I feel certain they would cost a lot more even when considering I would have a S/H charge from beltsforless . A person doesn't mind having a few spares at that price.
     
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  5. James E Gaydos

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    Thanks Rodger, and all.
    I'm not totally dismayed at this time, just a bit frustrated. A new toy and I wanted to play hard. Being unable to get a fuse off the shelf did concern me.
    I have faith that Grizzly will fix the problem.
    I turned on a Oneway that had a tendency to shut down from time to time untill the company installed a thing to regulate the electric current spikes.

    I believe the Grizzly will be a very good lathe all in all. One cannot beat the size of this machine for the price. The next step up would cost at least $3500. Out of my budget.
    I found it interesting that the cirrcut breaker on the lathe did not trip before the fuse blew. The 2 HP motor does have a lot of torque and seems powerful enough for anything that I will turn.
    The machine is a bit on the light side for it's size, but I am adding a ballast box with sand in the bottom, I believe the box will hold about 800 to 1000 # of sand. And I will replace the steel feet with larger rubber ones. That will keep it in it's place.

    I designed a bed extension that will enable me to turn at least 8 feet between centers,the whole thing will be on casters so it can moved out of the way, as I sometimes get a call for this size work.
    I will keep you up to date on what is happening.
    Dang Fuse:eek:
     
  6. Roger Chandler

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    Thanks James!

    I hope your unit will serve you well. I'll have to say, 8 feet between centers with a home made extension..........WOW. I hope the 2 hp motor is enough for you in that configuration.

    If I were you, I would have Grizzly send me a replacement fuse now, and then order a spare one, just in case you might ever need it again. I think I am going to call them to order one for my lathe, just to have it on hand.

    Do you think that [hindsight is 20/20 of course] that you should have made the kerf wider with your parting tool to take the stress out of the cut? I ask this because we can all learn from one another.

    I can say this........When you get your unit going.........if it performs like mine has for me, then you will be happy. I know William Young, and a lot of other owners are really up on their units. Steve B. who posts on this forum occasionally has the G0698, and Ron H. as well and some others........no problems reported at all.

    Good luck Jim, and let us know how things progress along! :)
     
  7. David Stratton

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    My G0698 is comming, I hope.

    I ordered my GO698 towards the end of October and was told at the time that they were on back order till the end of November. The end of November I called to check and was told it would now be the end of December. Then I got a postcard letting me know it was on BO so I called and was told March for an arrival date. I got a little upset and let them know about it. The gentleman I talked with was very understanding and made out an "Activity" report. Two days later I had a message on the answering machine from Griz stating that if I would like that they could ship one from the Missouri warehouse. I called to let them know that heck yes I wanted them to do that. Upshot is that my new lathe should be headed to me tomorrow, Monday. Since I am in Montana they were originally going to ship from Bellingham, WA. I guess those poor guys will not be getting any until March. I am glad the lathe will be on its way.

    Roger, (or anyone), do you have any advise on how to deal with the sheer size and weight of the lathe as shipped, supposedly 550 pounds. Shipping has become a little more complicated coming from Missouri. Their freight company is apparently UPS. There is no UPS Freight terminal in Great Falls. How much work is involved in unpacking it to break it down to manageable pieces? Any advise will be appreciated. David Stratton, Great Falls, MT
     
  8. Fred Lockwood

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    David, good to hear that you will have your lathe shortly.

    I picked mine (Hare & Forbes Toolmaster WL46) up from the Melbourne warehouse (400km round trip).

    As it was the showroom model it wasn't in its' original crate.

    We disassembled it and put it in my 6x4 trailer.

    On arrival home I removed the head and tailstock from the bed, put the legs under the bed, then put head and tailstock back on.

    I did all this on my own, and I am not a big strong guy, only 5'7" and 73kg:)

    The hardest part was the bed, but made easier by having an old printer stand on castors so I could move it around.

    I documented the process on our local forum:

    http://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/changing-guard-115302/
     
  9. James E Gaydos

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    Hi Roger,
    To answer your question about the cut, yes I should have made it wider. The wood was 7" in diameter and very wet it almost felt like it swelled up on the tool and grabbed it during the cut, I've had it happen before on a deep parting cut.

    As far as HP.
    I turned on an old Walker Turner lathe for 6 years. It had a bed extension to turn up to 8 1/2 feet BTC. We mounted it on a 1 1/2" square steel tube custom made stand with over 1200# of sand. It was very steady, and was powered by a 220 V 1 1/2 HP VS motor. The biggest piece I turned was 10 1/2" X 8 feet long and had no problems with power. This was a coopered column. But even with this amount of weight there was still some vibration or should I say shaking about if the speed was to fast.
    I believe the Grizzly will handle it.

    I already have an order for 3 -16" x 29" Cherry Table Pedestals that are to be used under a 6 Foot diameter marble table top.
    Jim
     
  10. Breaking it down into manageable size pieces is quite a chore. Take a variety of wrenches and screw drivers . There are metal bands around it so take strong side cutters as well
    Mine came by transport to the closest drop off point 120 km from home. I drove there with my van and a utility trailer behind.
    They lifted it with a fork lift after placing some heavy duty slings around it and they gently lifted it and lowered it over the 2' sides of the trailer and onto the floor.
    I have some pictures of the unpacking process in my own Woodworking Friends site but I have not been able to post pictures here.
    It is more like 600 lbs before opening. There are two thick , wide steel plates inside there that are bolted down to hold things together . They are not a part of the lathe . You can either toss them or keep them for something else.
    The totally enclosed particle board type wood box is bolted down to its own self contained pallet. There are eight metal corner brackets on the outside (two on each corner) bolted through . The bed is a gut stretcher as is the headstock and by just looking at the leg assemblies you will be shocked at the weight of them when you go to pick them up.

    I am strong (but then smell's not everything . .lol . .) so I was lucky enough to get a neighbor to help me get the bed bolted to the legs after I hauled all the pieces from the trailer to just inside my shop . Actually I was backed up to the shop door and dragged some pieces in rather than try lifting them myself. It is a much easier job if you have a helper but is do-able if you must go at it alone. . Of course I am a few months away from 75 years Young so it might all be a piece of cake for you. ;)

    BTW. It was mentioned that it needs more weight for turning out of balance pieces to keep it from "walking" . I have turned lots of big pieces up to 17.5 inches diameter with no problem at all . It is sitting on a wood floor and I put a double thick 3/4" plywood pad under each leg set about 18" wide by about 2.5 feet long to didtribute the weight better on the adjustable levelling feet. I was afraid the feet might go through without the pad because it is only 7/16" T&G , OSB flooring .
    For out of balance turnings I just start slow and let the piece predict the speed and keep increasing when possible.
    It has never moved a hair from where I sat it and all that weight in that big heavy lathe makes it a very smooth running machine.

    Congratulations and have fun with it.
     
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  11. James E Gaydos

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    Hi David,
    I was able to haul the lathe in my Toyota truck with no problem.
    The lathe is packaged very well, you'll need a few hand tools to loosen a few bolts and nuts. The crate is all plywood, screws and staples.
    Getting it off my truck in one piece by myself would have been impossible for me, so I tore apart the crate in the back of my truck.
    The heaviest parts are the bed and the headstock. Get some help if you can.
    I did it by myself, and I'm not supposed to lift heavy anymore, with the use of my Black and Decker Workmate as my helper. If I try to do something like this again I will get a helper.
    Jim
     
  12. David Stratton

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    Thanks Fread

    Great informative write up. I also really appreciate the assembly tips. I'll let you all know how it goes both problems and successes. David
     
  13. Roger Chandler

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    David,

    I uncrated mine on a rainy day inside a cargo trailer. The ups freight truck would not back up to my shop building, so we lowered it on the tailgate of the ups truck, and slid it inside my small trailer.

    I took the headstock off the ways and tailstock as well. I got everything ready and when my 2 sons got off work had them come over and assist me. It was a breeze to get things together with their help. Took about 30 minutes.

    Do make sure you get the bed level end to end and front to back, or else the flex in the ways will make the centers not align. Level bed is crucial!

    Also, check to see if the pulleys are in line with one another and tighten down the set screws in the pulleys before turning the unit on. There is a safety procedure to go through to check for proper operation. Follow the instructions and you will be fine!

    Once I got everything done, a few weeks later I used the plywood crate that the lathe came in to make drawers for a turning cabinet to keep my tools in!
     
  14. Roger Chandler

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    inspection and clean up on G0698

    I decided today after my dentist appointment, and reading what James G. had experienced with his new unit, to inspect and clean up my Grizzly G0698 today.

    Of course James had a mishap, where he got a parting tool stuck, and ended up blowing the fuse.

    I took the time to take the cover off my inverter, and inspect everything closely. All wiring connections are tight, the circuit board is clean, and everything looked really good [like new] even after a year of turning. I did blow just a little smidgen of dust out of the bottom of the inverter box, but was really surprised at how little dust had gotten inside the cover.

    I also ran the lathe through its paces on all settings. Took the time to let it run, and go from the low end to the high end several times and a lot of speeds in between, and the speed control was great.

    I don't have a heated shop, and the only thing I can do is put a Kerosene heater in there when it gets cold, but with no insulation, it does not help all that much when it really gets cold, and kerosene does put off moisture in the air, and I don't like having moisture settling on tool surfaces, like my table saw, etc, so I don't do a lot of turning when it gets dead of winter. [only on moderate temp. days]

    My point is that I was mostly buttoning up the lathe for the winter, but may still turn if we get some moderate temps.

    I saw the fuse that James was talking about when his blew, and it is easy to get to for replacement. His repair should be a breeze, when he gets the new fuse.

    I am still impressed with my G0698, and would purchase it all over again, knowing what I know, if I needed a lathe.
     
  15. James E Gaydos

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    The Fuse

    Hi all,
    The fuse for the Grizzly arrived today.
    I put the fuse in, plugged in the lathe, pressed the reset button, and turned it on.
    That fuse popped like a firecracker on the 4th of July.

    Called Grizzly, I'm now talking to the third tech support person. His response was one of their electronics techs will contact me in a day or so.
    Each time I call Grizzly, I get a different support tech, and I have to explain the whole problem all over again. #4 coming up.

    I told the tech that I no longer wanted this headstock as I have no faith in any of the electrical components, who's to say what else inside their may be blown or burned up, I want the whole thing replaced, not just a few parts.

    If Grizzly does not want to do this, I am going to be Williamsport bound on Saturday morning, and will be returning this lathe. They do have a 30 day money back guaranty

    Jim
     
  16. Don't blame you one bit . You are taking the right approach.
    I didn't want to mention it earlier but I did rather feel that there must be a dead short in either the motor or somewhere in the electonics when you said some smoke came out.

    I would insist in a whole new headstock and if they won't go for that , then a full refund.

    I know BusyBee in Canada where I got mine would bend over backwards to help with a problem with any piece of machinery they sell . I hope Grizzly is the same .

    Please let us know how you make out.

    It can happen with any make or model . I once got an expensive General International lathe because I was told those pieces of green machinery were fantastic even though they are overpriced due to a "brand" name. . It was a three hour drive each way to get it and return it. The electronic circuit board fried in a cloud of smoke just ten minute after turning it on. Took it back to Woodcraft and got a full refund. Of course I got the regular B S that it was the first one they had ever seen do that but reports on some sites proved otherwise.
     
  17. Roger Chandler

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    Hi Jim,

    On the SMC forum there is a guy, Dirk Martin who had a similar issue......they are sending him a new inverter. Another guy who got a G0698 a few months ago had an issue, and got another headstock......everything has been great ever since for him.

    I think there must have been an issue with a few, and Grizzly is trying to take care of these. You may have seen the thread on SMC.

    I believe Grizzly will take good care of you, and I know it is frustrating. A number of the Jet 16/42's had motor issues and Jet had to send out new motors, and then a few had the same problem with the new motors, but Jet took care of it for them..........just a lot of frustration in the mean time.

    After a year with my unit, it could not have been any better. I just hope that shortly you will find the same experience. Good luck to ya' Jim!
     
  18. James E Gaydos

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    Hi Roger,
    What is SMC?
    Jim
     
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  20. James E Gaydos

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    Thanks Bill, I thinks me head has a clog in it tonight.
    Jim
     

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