Owners poll- 18" X 47" lathes

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Roger Chandler, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. David Stratton

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    I got it!

    After some pins and needles I got my Grizzly lathe yesterday at about 5pm. Got it uncrated, assembled, cleaned up and plugged in. I know crap happens but this particular one seems to be a good one and a keeper. I actually managed to get it assembled single handed. My back was a little sore at bedtime but I tried to use good lifting techniques and I feel fine today. I did do as others have done and worked a little on the ways. They are not as polished as what we used to see on a Powermatic table saw but they appear to be nice and flat. First thing I did was slap a couple of centers in the head and tail stocks then ran them together, PERFECT. Plugged it in and turned it on and it worked great. Installed a chuck and put in a piece of wood and started turning. I am happy and I think I will continue to be happy. Roger and other owners were a big help in my decision and I thank you. David
     
  2. Roger Chandler

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    good news!


    David,

    It is good to hear your positive report. I found that the machining on the ways, not being as polished as say the PM does allow for a positive lockup with the banjo and tailstock on the ways. Mine has been very solid in that regard, and I have only needed to treat my ways a couple of times, and I used Boeshield on them, and let dry then give a good wipe down. Works really slick!

    The centers on mine are dead on in alignment, and having the bed level makes that pretty much automatic, I think.

    I hate it that a couple of guys had problems, but Grizzly is addressing these, with new inverters from what I hear. Grizzly works hard at good customer service, and they will get the units right for those who will give them a little time, to get parts if needed.

    Be sure and post some of your turnings when you can........it will be nice to see what comes off the Green Monster! :D

    I would recommend that you put a shelf for ballast on the leg castings, as it stiffens the unit from end to end, and makes it more stable with heavy out of balance blanks. I have some wood blanks on mine and a few tools in blow molded cases, and that has been all the ballast I have needed to date, but some build a box and put sand inside for the extra weight.

    Good luck, David, and happy turning!
     
  3. David Stratton

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    The electrics

    Roger, I am not sure just what it is that has changed but my instruction book came with a supplemental electric sheet so I assume that they have made changes, hopefully improvements. David
     
  4. James E Gaydos

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    Green Monster

    Congratulations David,
    I truly hope that you have gotten a good one.
    Jim
     
  5. Roger Chandler

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    manual and electronics

    Mine did not have the supplimental electric sheet, but it did have a section in the manual that showed the wiring and all. As my unit was one of the first ones, they still had a manual that had some generic lathe information in it not specific to the G0698. Some of the info was copied from their G0632 model, but then it had some that was specific to the G0698 as well.

    The disclaimer said that the manual was subject to update, and I suppose that is what they have done as they have gotten more units in the manufacturing process.
     
  6. Roger Chandler

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    email from Grizzly Tech support

    This email from Grizzly tech support will tell the correct story about the issues with the G0698 lathes. I emailed them to find out what is the issue, and Bill Croffut has responded. As you will see, most of the units are fine, there was a problem with circuit boards supplied by Toshiba, and they are addressing issues.

    here is the email response I got:

    Hi Roger,

    We are aware of a small percentage of electronics failing on our G0698 Wood Lathe. Presently we actually don't know why but nearly all seem to be circuit board failures. We are working with the circuit board supplier (Toshiba) to find a fast permanent solution. By all indications, there is a problem with the manufacturing of the circuit board as the vast majority of machines (yours for example) after several months of use are working trouble free. Those that fail have done so for the most part very soon after putting into service. Our Grizzly inspectors did not find a problem at the factory and when they arrived here, they again tested fine. Please be assured that we are working hard to correct the problem. I think this is one heck of a nice lathe and we have every intention of providing the highest level of support to our customers not only for the G0698 Lathe but all Grizzly products. No one likes to have products fail, but having failures is not necessarily an indication of a problem with Quality Control. In this case, we must rely on the engineering and manufacturing skills of the supplier of the electronics. Their problem has now become our problem too and we are both working towards a solution. However, I will say again the vast majority of these lathes are performing trouble free.


    Thanks for your questions and I hope I have put your worries to rest.


    Bill

    Bill Crofutt
    Quality Control Manager

    Grizzly Industrial, Inc.

    This information should give some reassurance to both those who have this lathe, and those who have just gotten it, and also to those who have had a problem...........it will be fixed! A defective circuit board from Toshiba is the main issue! The vast majority of units are just fine!
     
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  7. Ron Sardo

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    This thread has been going on so long, I can't help but wonder what type of affiliation you have with Grizzly.
     
  8. Roger Chandler

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    For your Ron Sardo


    Ron,

    I have absolutely NO affiliation with Grizzly whatsoever, other than purchasing this lathe [g0698] my very first purchase from them.

    I enjoy tools very much and am an avid wood worker for nearly 25 years, as a hobbyist. I have been doing this thread because a number of folks requested that I give some ongoing reviews as to my experience with the G0698 lathe which was introduced on Jan. 1st 2010, and I was one of the first purchasers,and of course as the thread went on, other owners of other labels posted and you see the development of the thread.

    My interest is to get a true assessment of this unit, as it is a full featured lathe at a great price, and fills a niche in the market that makes it possible for some folks to have a large lathe, but do not have the $$$$ to purchase one costing $3500.00 or more.
     
  9. Jon Nuckles

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    Sent mine back

    Roger,

    You mentioned (in post 317) the Sawmill Creek discussion and referred to one person who got a replacement headstock and has been happy ever since. I think you may have been referring to me, but have confused my results with someone else. Grizzly did send me a replacement headstock to try to correct my G0698 problems, but the new headstock exhibited exactly the same problems -- not starting the vast majority of the time.

    My lathe arrived in August after several months of backorder, so it was not in the most recent shipment. Grizzly acknowledged to me, as they did in their recent email to you, that I was not the only one experiencing this problem. Grizzly also admitted they did not have a fix for the problem at the time (around the end of August or beginning of September) and did not know when they might, so they offered to take the lathe back. They refunded my money and I bought a Powermatic 3520b. I have been happy ever since, just not with the Grizzly lathe.;)

    That being said, Grizzly was responsive to my concerns, gave me a full refund, and paid for all of the shipping expenses (other than for the materials to build a new crate to send it back). It was a frustrating experience, especially dealing with UPS Freight in the Chicago area, but I have no complaints about Grizzly's customer service.

    I have no reason to think that this problem will affect the majority of the lathes Grizzly has shipped, nor that Grizzly has not figured out the problem by now. I appreciate your posting your positive experience with your lathe and relating the experiences of others that you have heard. I just want to correct the confusion over how my situation was resolved (assuming it was me you were referring to in your earlier post).

    Jon
     
  10. Roger Chandler

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    Correct info is important

    Thanks Jon,

    I am about getting truthful information out on this unit, and I do not remember for sure who I was referring to, but it may have been you..........frankly, I don't recall at this moment.

    However, if I misunderstood or gave faulty information, then I sure do want it to be corrected. Reviews are meant to give the good :) the bad :( and the ugly :eek: also.

    The whole purpose of this thread was to give a truthful review, and some other posters have spoken of problems with their Laguna version, and some of the Busy Bee and Hare & Forbes owners have spoken of their good experiences.

    Thank you for letting any confusion be cleared up. I also do not want anyone to think one thing when another might be the case.

    I think from what I received from the QC manager at Grizzly that they have gotten a handle on the problem as of the last few days [circuit boards from Toshiba] and they will get this corrected as soon as is possible. I hope that a bad part does not color the opinions of turners about the quality of this lathe.........once this issue gets resolved, I think it will be a good unit and perform well for those who get it.
     
  11. Roger Chandler

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    Grizzly Green Monster Group

    For those of you who would be interested, and like to have a bit of light-hearted fun, on the SMC turners forum, there has been a "Grizzly Green Monster's Group" established, as was suggested by one of the moderators on that forum.

    they have the "Delta force" for the 46-460 owners, and "Mustard Monster" contingent as well. Even a "mayo" contingent. It is just a way of letting folks know what unit you are using for your turnings.

    Quite a few new Grizzly owners, and the G0698, G0632 and G0694 are the larger lathes in the Grizzly lineup, so owners are encouraged to join the group!

    We added other Grizzly models as well, so some units are "mini monsters" and that is okay!
     
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  12. Roger Chandler

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    G0698 steady rest

    I made a steady rest for my G0698..........thought some others might be interested in making one for their 18/47 unit. Frame is made from cabinet grade birch plywood, and the base and arms are made from 3/4 red oak for rigidity.

    I built this in advance of getting my Monster Articulated hollowing rig which I ordered on Monday.

    Should be a sweet setup all the way around!
     

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  13. glenkey

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    Walter I respect your opinion, but if I had to wait saving my money to buy a VicMarc, I would not have a lathe. I got a sweet deal on a brand new PM 3520B. One of our club members is a distributor for WMH and cuts us good deals on PMs or Jet lathes.
    If I could have any lathe I wanted Stubby 1000 would top the list with VM right there in 2nd place, Oneway runs real close to VM. IMHO
     
  14. Roger Chandler

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    one man's opinion Vs. another man's

    Walter,

    You Sir, have a right to your opinion, and if I would have had extra funds not needed to support my family, then perhaps I would have gone with a Oneway or maybe a Robust American beauty..........but since my cheapo Craftsman lathe broke on me, and no parts were available on this planet to fix it, then I opted to purchase the best lathe I could at the time with available funds, without going in debt.

    So far, after a year, I could not have had any better performance than I have gotten with my G0698...........I know it is not a Oneway 24/36 or a American Beauty or even a Vicmarc.........but it is still a winner, and fills a niche for a full featured lathe at an affordable price.

    I hope I will get many long years of reliable service from this unit.........then maybe I can get an American made unit.

    That is my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it! :):D
     
  15. Roger Chandler

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    Working like a charm

    This morning I did a small Hollow Form vase, and during the process using Ellsworth's bent hollowing tool, I got a major catch, and a couple more using the hunter goose neck hollowing tool as well.

    The big catch was big enough to stop the lathe. It tripped the circuit breaker in the headstock and protected the electronics just like it is designed to do. I am so glad this G0698 lathe performs so well. I am glad it was designed to help the turner who occasionally makes a mistake, and protects both the lathe itself and the turner using it! A well thought out design in my opinion. This G0698 I have has been nothing short of absolutely superb!

    The wood is Ash, and was dry and hard.
     

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  16. john sheridan

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    laguna 18/47 lathe problem

    Dear colleagues.
    Woodworker, John Sheridan, in San Francisco would like to hear from any other turners who have experienced difficulties with or failure of the motor controls on the "18/47", Model MC1200 lathe from Laguna Tools. An identical lathe is sold as the Grizzly G0698, Busy Bee CT128N and Hare and Forbes WL-46. The inverter to convert 230 single phase power to variable speed three phase on John's 2008 lathe has apparently failed. Or it might be something else including the start/stop switch or Toshiba circuit board.
    The owner of Laguna Tools admitted in a telephone conversation in January that the motor and control system on the lathe is vulnerable to voltage change damage. But Laguna is designing a new power system for the lathe and has offered me a new headstock. However, the problem remains undiagnosed.The lathe retails for $1,400 to $1,900. A motor control technician was unable to keep my lathe operating and a licensed electrician also failed. Laguna has sold 3-400 of the lathes. I suspect that it is a worldwide problem with the motor controls on this item in all its various paint jobs.
    The discussions that I have had with laguna, now reaching, perhaps, a solution, is in sharp contrast to the policies of SawStop Saw, which, when it identifies a problem with an older model saw, offers without hesitation a free, upgrading part even if the warranty is long expired.
    John's phone number is 415-824-6161 and his e-mail address is Grew_Sheridan@mac.com, Thank you.
     
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  17. Mark Warden

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  18. Roger Chandler

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    John,

    I am the one who started the other thread that Mark mentioned. From everything I have heard from owners, both in forums and over the phone, Laguna is the line of 18/47's that have had the most problems, and customer service has been less than stellar for a few customers according to their posts.

    The Grizzly unit, the Hare & Forbes Woodmaster, and the Busy Bee CT128 all seem to be fine from what I have heard.

    I have the Grizzly G0698 18/47 and just recently there were a small number, less than a dozen as far as I can tell, that had inverter problems. Grizzly's QC manager responded to my email asking about this issue, and told me that they had traced the issue to a circuit board problem with a very few. The circuit board was supplied by Toshiba, and they have worked with Grizzly to get this fixed.

    After a year, my unit has not had one single problem of any sort. I hope it stays that way, but Grizzly tech folks tell me they will stand behind their product 100%, so that gives me some reassurance.

    I hope you get the issues solved with your Laguna, and hopefully they will get it right with any upgrades, reworks, etc.
     
  19. Roger Chandler

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    Posts from another thread moved here

    Evidently the mods moved the last 4 posts here from another thread regarding the Laguna 18/47. When I looked this morning the thread noted that it had been moved, and now those posts are indeed on this thread.
     
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  20. Jon Nuckles

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    Problems with Grizzly 18/47

    John,

    I don't know if the G0698 is the same as the Laguna, but I did have problems with mine. The lathe would only start about 1 in 10 times that I turned it on. Grizzly could not figure out the problem and the replacement headstock they sent out had the same issues. Customer service acknowledged they were experiencing this with a number of the lathes of this model and said they had not figured out how to fix it (as of last fall). They said I could wait for them to figure it out or they would refund my money. I opted for the refund.

    Just to be clear, I have no complaints about Grizzly's customer service. My shop still has a Grizzly bandsaw and jointer, and I would gladly buy from them again.

    Jon
     

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