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Bob, that was from a current board member who used that as an excuse why the AAW couldn't come to the real southeast this time. I'm waiting for the new directory to see what they have mapped out next. There's not a doubt in my mind that Atlanta, Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile, Jacksonville, Tampa or any other great southeastern city couldn't offer a venue to beat out Richmond.
 

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I agree with Bob. I met a lot of good Florida based woodturners at that symposium. I thought they were very involved.
 
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Steve Worcester said:
I would venture a guess that FAR LESS than half of the members in clubs are AAW members also.

I have visited a lot of AAW Chapters and met a lot of woodturners from my travels around the country for demonstrations, show attendance, and changes of residence. I have also belonged to several AAW Chapters, and I have avoided a couple of them.

My observation has been that AAW membership has always been no more than about 25% in Chapters that do not require it. The numbers can get skewed because there are some very large Chapters that require AAW membership. But, I have also run into Chapters with 50 members, but only 5 or 6 belonging to the AAW. The usual response from these non-members is that there is no reason to join the AAW when they are getting all of the benefits of membership for nothing.

If I am permitted one criticism of the AAW, it is that they have done a poor job of getting their message to these non-members, and that they are a member of a local Chapter that would not exist were it not for the AAW.

I have also met a lot of AAW members in my travels who are not members of their local Chapter. Their reasons are usually a personality conflict with the officers, or the Chapter has a restriction on membership.

It is also not unusual to find at least one woodturner at every show I have attended who is not a member of either the AAW or a local chapter.
 
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The Chapter closest to me, the Capital Area Woodturners, usually does a pitch for AAW membership at every other meeting.
I don't know the number of AAW members out of the 200+ club membership but its probably pretty high.
The club sponsors skill enhancement sessions twice a month that require both club and AAW membership. Also if you want to demo outside of meetings a club sponsored events you need to have AAW membersip.
Mostly for the liability coverage.

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Two threads with similar thoughts . .

The thread on if its turning or carving has very similar thoughts being expressed as this one. My club is at about 50%, and the ones that aren't mostly say they can't see any advantage to joining. One of these makes and sells several hundred pens a year. Another produces pieces that would hold their own against just about anyone. If people like these don't find membership worthwhile, then we'll stay the size we are and continue down the same road we're on today.

As I said in the other thread, I've turned items to sell, and have sold them fairly successfully for many years. I've been juried into top ten art shows and have sold at antique auto show flea markets (don't laugh until you've tried it!). I know what the general public wants in their homes, and it's not something they need a glass case and humidity controlled environment or burgler alarm for. It's also seldom a salad bowl. They want something that is both art and can be functional. I honestly can't blame them either.

My continued concern is the AAW and our magazine's very tight focus on niche, highly manipulated wood art and very little on the basic to intermediate techniques of turning, unbiased reviews of products, etc. It all is interesting, but for the novice, beginner, or even intermediate turner, it doesn't help. I can get more turning information from chat rooms, forums and YouTube than from our magazine. The continued resistance to getting back to basics (perhaps having two magazines?) escapes me, but it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon.
 

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...and very little on the basic to intermediate techniques of turning, unbiased reviews of products, etc. It all is interesting, but for the novice, beginner, or even intermediate turner, it doesn't help.
I do know that the AAW (from what I recall) had stopped doing product reviews , but I don't recall why exactly.

As for the basics, I don't agree. I feel there are articles in every issue on all levels of turning.
 

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Symposium sites

There has been a lot of discussion about symposium site selection.
The criteria include geography, adequate and available facilities, airport,
reasonable hotel rates, and local chapters support.

A number of alternatives were considered for 2008. Among them were New Orleans and Atlanta. New Orleans was way to expensive. in then end Atlanta was quite a bit more expensive than Richmond. Reasonable hotels eliminate most big cities.

Below are two maps each with 600 mile circles about the symposium sites.
600 miles is a rough estimate of a days drive. The first shows the next 5 symposiums. The next shows the previous 5.

Happy Turning,
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If I am permitted one criticism of the AAW, it is that they have done a poor job of getting their message to these non-members, and that they are a member of a local Chapter that would not exist were it not for the AAW.

I do have to say in answer to this statment that it's up to the club chapter contact to pass on all the correspondence that is sent to them from the AAW with just such information. This type of information goes out on a regular basis but never gets passed on to members at the chapter level. Part of being a chapter officer is helping to spread the word about AAW but that is sadly lacking.
 
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Very well done mapping, Al.

OK now, all you turners from Wyoming, Montana and Idaho...let's here a "we didn't get any" choirs, in unison if you please :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:
 
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I do have to say in answer to this statment that it's up to the club chapter contact to pass on all the correspondence that is sent to them from the AAW with just such information. This type of information goes out on a regular basis but never gets passed on to members at the chapter level. Part of being a chapter officer is helping to spread the word about AAW but that is sadly lacking.

Sean,

I know first hand about trying to encourage a Chapter's membership to join the AAW. I've come to the unfortunate conclusion, that a certain percentage will never join. There are lots of differing reasons for this, but it would be ludicrous to try to discuss those reasons here. I freely admit as officers change so does the effort to enlist members for the AAW. I know of no one that keeps records but personal experience tells me new membership rates stay nearly the same reqardless of effort.

I just re-read your quote, and have an idea. I'm going to suggest to our Chapter that a volunteer or willing appointee becomes the contact for the AAW. That way a certain continuity could be achieved unaffected by new elections.
 
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Sean Troy said:
...it's up to the club chapter contact to pass on all the correspondence that is sent to them from the AAW with just such information. This type of information goes out on a regular basis but never gets passed on to members at the chapter level.

Sean, my sense as a new guy around here is that the AAW places more emphasis on chapters rather than individual members. Your statement about the channels of correspondence attest to that, and it made me think of some additional suggestions:

Communicate directly to the members - You’re right that the chapters (at least mine) do not pass on information. I’ve been a member of my local club for about a year, and I do not recall ever hearing any AAW information. I’m sure in the early years of the AAW, communicating through chapters was the most efficient way to pass along information. With today’s technology, it seems like you could easily eliminate the middleman for all correspondence by sending a monthly or quarterly email to all members, and posting the news updates on the website. (Perhaps it’s already there and I just don’t know where to look.)

Membership committee - As I looked at the various standing committees defined on the website, I also wondered if maybe the “Chapters and Membership†committee might be more effective if it were broken into two separate groups: one for chapters and one for membership. That would allow a committee to solely focus on membership growth, retention, and benefits.
 
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Sean Troy and Al Hockenbery

Sean Troy and Al Hockenbery,
Since you two are AAW Board members who have recently posted to this thread...
The AAW Resource / Directory contains thousands of e-mail addresses & I'm sure those addresses are already on a computer @ the AAW. I know that this type of arrangement would not serve those who signed up after January 1, but it would provide info for the majority.

Jeff Moffett said:
Sean, my sense as a new guy around here is that the AAW places more emphasis on chapters rather than individual members. Your statement about the channels of correspondence attest to that, and it made me think of some additional suggestions:
eliminate the middleman for all correspondence by sending a monthly or quarterly email to all members, and posting the news updates on the website.
 

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Better communication

We need to improve how we communicate directly to members.
The Journal is the "official" mechanism. It is only once a month.
It is also easy to miss things by skipping a page.

This forum is one such way but we know it reaches only a small percentage.

Email is on the horizon. But we don't have the capability yet.
It is my understanding that the AAW does not currently have the capability of sending an e-mail to all members.

It is one thing to put 250 addresses in a to line.
Sending to 8,000 or 12,000 is quite another matter.
Chapter e-mail reaches a lot of members but There are a lot of member who do not belong to a local Chapter.

Happy Turning
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It is not difficult to get an email sent to 10,000 people, there are software programs to do that. Getting the email addys out of the database may be a different story.
The other problem with email is that there is no way (currently) for a member to update their information (as if they would) when they change email addresses.
The "if they would" comes from my experience of trying to chase down the 10-15 bad addresses every time we send out the POP emails. The POP (professional Outreach Program) members do currently have the ability to change their emails and don't do it.
 
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There are a significant minority of members in my chapter that don't use email and they are AAW members.
They don't use the AAW website either. So for them its either the Journal , chapter meetings , or postal mail.
You try to use the most effective means of communications, but there is always a chance that you leave someone out.

Mark.
 

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All,

I think this thread could be such a valuable tool for Board Members, I have made the ideas here part of the Presidents Message. I'll try to post a readers digest version shortly.

I can shed some light on the reason the AAW travels to different cities. The reason it was that way was because the Symposium was staffed by the B.O.D. and local volunteers. To go back to the same cities would put too much of a burden on the locals.

So the Board tries to identify 6 different areas of the country. NE, SE, Mid S, Mid N NW and SW. These areas are large. We used to look fo second tier cities to avoid the added cost of doing business. (I think it is safe to say that we would never have a Symposium in NYC!) Once a city was identified we looked for the number of members (to use as a labor pool) If these things worked the city had a facility large enough and there are enuf members then it was selected. We no longer have to do that. All of the bull-work will be done by hired hands.

Oh by the way, Louisville was the North East Symposium!

Now that we have engaged pros we look at localities differently. One the size (read big) of the symposium has outgrown most hotels. (Like the Galt House) so in the future the sites we selected are Convention Centers. How's that for growth?

We find that the single, most difficult aspect of the symposium to find a space big enough is the Banquet. You can expect that in the very near future that attendance to the Banquet will be limited by the venue in which it is held.

If you have a city that could be a contender please send it to your favorite board member. The venues have been selected up to Saint Paul in 2011. Surely we will need sites after that.

I agree that a welcome package is a good idea. We can work on that.

Benefits? What about the free video you rec’d when you rejoined?

Disagree? Agree? New Ideas?

Angelo
 
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Benefits? What about the free video you rec’d when you rejoined?

Angelo

It must have got lost in the mail
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Angelo said:
All,

I think this thread could be such a valuable tool for Board Members, I have made the ideas here part of the Presidents Message. I'll try to post a readers digest version shortly.

I can shed some light on the reason the AAW travels to different cities. The reason it was that way was because the Symposium was staffed by the B.O.D. and local volunteers. To go back to the same cities would put too much of a burden on the locals.

So the Board tries to identify 6 different areas of the country. NE, SE, Mid S, Mid N NW and SW. These areas are large. We used to look fo second tier cities to avoid the added cost of doing business. (I think it is safe to say that we would never have a Symposium in NYC!) Once a city was identified we looked for the number of members (to use as a labor pool) If these things worked the city had a facility large enough and there are enuf members then it was selected. We no longer have to do that. All of the bull-work will be done by hired hands.

Oh by the way, Louisville was the North East Symposium!

Now that we have engaged pros we look at localities differently. One the size (read big) of the symposium has outgrown most hotels. (Like the Galt House) so in the future the sites we selected are Convention Centers. How's that for growth?

We find that the single, most difficult aspect of the symposium to find a space big enough is the Banquet. You can expect that in the very near future that attendance to the Banquet will be limited by the venue in which it is held.

If you have a city that could be a contender please send it to your favorite board member. The venues have been selected up to Saint Paul in 2011. Surely we will need sites after that.

I agree that a welcome package is a good idea. We can work on that.

Benefits? What about the free video you rec’d when you rejoined?

Disagree? Agree? New Ideas?

Angelo
angelo what are the aforementioned cities?
 
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Angelo, if Louisville was the NE, What does Richmond and Hartford count for?
And please don't draw any more circles, it seems like this entire thread is going in circles. If there are six areas of the country, and it's to be split between those six areas then there is an awful big hole in the central south which isn't being covered. If you want to know which, go to the map with the circles.
 

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Capt'n,

Hartford definitely qualifies as the Northeast.

Richmond is the Southeast.

Would love to go to New Orleans are you fellows game? It has been talked about several times at each Board meeting where we try to select the next venue.

If New Orleans is willing then you need to talk to the Board members (those that you know and those that you don't)

The main reason that New Orleans was not selected was Katrina. when it was time for the SE New Orleans was not ready. Ask Ron Alexander, he was on the Board then.

A lesser reason the Board has not selected New Orleans is because there is a perception that cities on any Coast do not draw the attendance we need. I have no preference, I'd go to N.O. in a heartbeat.

Like I said. Make it known to the Board that you want it in N.O. Get some preliminary site data and get in their face with it.

Be proactive not reactive.
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Promised Post

Following is what turns out to be the full length version of the Presidents' Page. The version I promised, the Readers Digest version, will apper in the Journal.

Thanx

Angelo

April 17, 2007

There is an excellent thread that has been started on the website. Since some of our members do not have access to the web, I’d like to take this opportunity to recapitulate.

Feedback
From experience, I can say, with certainty, that the entire Board is keen to have more member participation. The website forum is a good vehicle to do that.
However, you should be aware, that any member is able to directly contact any Board member by using the e mail addresses or phone numbers posted on this web page: http://www.woodturner.org/org/staff_dirs.cfm

The same information is available in the Resource Directory.

Currently, as a Board, we are working Board. What does that mean? Well as a working Board, if a Board Member has any program ideas, it usually meant that, the same Board member was responsible for the work required to put that plan into action. As well as reporting progress of the project to the rest of the Board. This usually was enough to stifle some creativity.

Additionally, in the past all of the Board Members were, and still are, on the Conference Committee. What that means to each Board Member is that each member is responsible to make a different piece of the of the symposium come together to make the whole experience. Yes, in the past we were the people that were responsible to set up and breakdown of the demo rooms. We pushed the lathes around, set up the cameras, emptied the trash and were generally running around frantically for three days. (All this with the help of the local clubs who bore the brunt of much of the work.) Happily, under the new organization, that is no longer the case. Board members will be required to schmooze and the heavy work will be left to the pros. In reality it makes a great deal of sense. Take a look at the Board members, I bet you don’t see one young, strong whipper snapper!

Since much of the physical burden hat has been shouldered by the Board and the local club volunteers, the AAW made a practice of not returning to any one city because of the burden on the locals. This is changing. Since we will be hiring people to do the work of the Board and the local volunteers, it has become possible to return to aâ€Âfavorite city.†As I see the discussion happening within the Board they would prefer 6 cities (one in each of the geographical areas noted) that we could return to year after year. It is a discussion that, I suspect, will go on long after I’m off the Board.

Since there has been a movement on the Board to become “more professional†in the presentation of the Symposium, and in our day to day service of our membership, This has resulted in the AAW bringing on Board a professional Conference Coordinator as well as an Executive Director. The Conference Coordinator is now responsible to make the facility ready for the Symposium. The Executive Director is responsible for the day to day business of the front office. The E.D. is also responsible to carry out the “vision of the Board.†Without the input from the rank and file members to help shape that vision, more often than not we are left to our won resources to figure out what is best for the membership. Naturally, we never make the “correct†decision.

Benefits to members:

When we are asked about the benefits of the AAW most members can speak easily about the Journal, the Symposium and the Insurance Policy.

What is not immediately apparent is the fact that there is a local chapter of the AAW at all! That is where the “rubber meets the roadâ€Â. In my view, everyone that attends a local chapter meeting is taking part of one the biggest and best benefits of the AAW, its chapter meeting. Members and non Members alike take part in the camaraderie, the shared knowledge and just the plain fun of making shavings.

With membership topping 13,000 this year, it is impossible to please all of the people all of the time. We depend on the local clubs to present the face of the AAW.

The question in the mind of some Board members is that when Special Programs are offered, thru the local clubs, are they offered to the entire club membership (AAW members & non members alike) or are these special programs offered to only Club Members who are AAW members? If this is true, then there is no reason for a local club member to join the AAW. The comment I have is, who is getting the better deal?â€Â

I see from the previous posts that one of the biggest benefits to membership is that of the Local Club meeting. Each “club†that is sanctioned by the AAW is also eligible for the liability insurance policy. There have been several articles about the coverage and we would be happy to send any AAW member a copy.

If you read the mission statement (Article II – Purposes on page 30 of the resource directory) You will see a concise description of our purpose. We take this statement very seriously. We constantly measure our programs (and our performance) against the yardstick of the mission statement.
The mission statement does not say anything about procuring discounts from various vendors or manufacturers. Therefore we do not make such efforts.

I think you would find that most Board Members would agree that the proper place for price negotiations is at the club level. I think, too, that once the “Members Only†area is operational on the web site, this, too, would be a good place to post vendor discount information.

Imagine the position the AAW would be placed, if it agreed to negotiate prices. We would also have to open a full time complaint department to handle all the problems, complaints poor service and faulty merchandise... I simply don’t see it in the cards.

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Please follow this link for an explanation of the shipping date of the Directory:
http://www.woodturner.org/

Website:

On 4/19/06 Ed Davidson stepped up as the new webmaster. Since then he has untangled many of the glitches that were embedded in our old software. He, and the new software company, has made remarkable progress in a short time. The new on-line registration is not active now. It has been designed. Ed Davidson targets the middle of May for it to become active.


What would the Board like to see from the membership?

The journal is a member driven periodical. It is created from the articles that you, the membership, submit. If you do not see the article that interests you most why not try your hand at writing one. If you are intimidated by writing a whole article by your self, team up with other turners that share your passion and share the work load.

A special note (We, the board members avoid calling “American Woodturner†a magazine. Its purpose is to document the journey of woodturning through time, thus we refer to it as the Journal.)

Chapter Spotlight: This idea could be web based or, for the really good ones, an article in the Journal. Has someone in your club made a really neat jig or tool? How about sharing that information with the web based “Chapters Best Practices†or Tool Tips in the Journal

Member Spotlights: have an old timer, or even a young timer, in your club that is a mentor to many? We would like to hear about them!

The Professional Outreach Program was created as a forum for self proclaimed professional woodturners to gather and to discuss things of importance to their particular niche in woodturning. This has resulted in a number of special meetings at the Portland Symposium for the Special Interest Groups. These meetings will be held on Friday evening. We see this new feature as a developing event. Have a special interest like box making? How about a demo room to meet for the evening?

The Symposium: There is a new idea of an “Artist in Residence†program to be incorporated into each symposium. This idea comes from the POP Group. This would make a space for a Professional Turner to create a signature piece during the symposium. The Turner would be given the space, the tools and the time to, hopefully creating a piece from start to finish.

There is also a “track†being created for the Professional woodturner within the framework of the Symposium. Its intent is to focus on the matters most important to the professional woodturner. No matter what the topic no matter what the length of time it needs we aim to accommodate the request.

Current ideas:
The Board envisions a 25th Anniversary Book. We feel that this book should be a landmark publication and not contain a “lotta fluffâ€Â. We feel it should embrace the “studio woodturner†but also give equal attention to the “practical woodturnerâ€Â. It should chronicle the AAW’s history thru a number of critical essays. It should become a benefit to members. It should be delicious to look at and savory to read.

AAW Spindle Center Finder: research is being conducted to access the feasibility of providing our members a small tool as a benefit of membership

Growth of the AAW-Submitted by Bill Haskell

Your AAW continues to grow in a way you can be proud of, no doubt surpassing the vision the AAW founders had when they started in 1986. Last year, membership growth was the largest ever, with 1,082 added to our roles. The financial report on page 3 (of the Journal you don’t have yet) reflects, last year was also a financial high-water mark.

The growth of the organization continues in a steady upward trend, with membership and our operating funds more than doubling over the past ten years. It is clear to the Board of Directors that the programs that are in place have been successful at reaching more and turners and woodworkers, in general. Therefore if we use growth as a measure of success, then we have been very successful.

The problem we see is how to make our programs reach all of the special interest groups within the AAW membership.

It takes a great deal of effort and membership involvement to make all this happen we offer a hearty note of appreciation to all who have and continue to help in this enterprise. We also offer an open invitation for those that can envision change to drop any or all of your Board Members a line (either a phone call of an email). Then watch us grow!

In short the AAW is the largest craft organization of its’ kind in the world! There is nothing out there like us to use as a model. Therefore, what ideas we cannot appropriate, we make it up as we go. Wanna change things? Then let’s hear from you.

Angelo
 
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