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Vacuum check for Jet 1642 lathe

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Vacuum chuck for Jet 1642 lathe

What is the best "off the shelf" selection for the Jet? Any problems and/or modifications required?
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All I can say is don't get the Vicmarc rig that you attach a two-stage shop vac to that's sold by Craft Supplies. It starts wobbling after a little (very little) use. I tried it, thinking I'd save money and because the setup looked quick. I sent the first one back because I thought it was defective because the plate didn't run true. Now the replacement is doing the same thing. Apparently, either the plate warps or the fitting itself loosens. I'm not sure which. They use a plastic coupling around the bearing and I think that's the culprit. Very poorly engineered. I'm going to send mine back and get the EZ-adaptor with a Gast pump for my 1642. It's a lot more money (pump 349 - EZ adaptor 79 - misc fittings, 80). The good news is, it'll accept any faceplate. A bought a Fein 2 stage Vac from another supplier especially to hook the Vicmarc rig to and I'll guess I'll be stuck with that. In this case, cheaper is not better. Turned out to be an expensive lesson in vacuum chucking.
 

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I saw this when I took a class from him years ago. Promptly went out and bought a rod, annealed it to make it softer, and must have used the wrong metal or something. Such a pain to bend each time that I gave up on it and and I eyeball it. Granted not the same success rate.

Have to do more research......
 
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I contacted Oneway directly, since I liked the design of their rotary vacuum adaptor, but none of the "normal" lathe tool suppliers stocked an adaptor for the 1642. They machined one specifically for the Jet 1642, and including shipping from Canada, the cost was about $ 105.00 (or so). The OEM stock aluminum lathe spindle 'handle' is removed, and the rotary vacuum adaptor is simply placed on the protruding "outboard" unthreaded lathe spindle section. I got very good customer service on this order, and time from order placement to receiving the unit was about 2-1/2 weeks or so. Be careful about bearing down too hard with the set screws - the 1642's spindle is not very well hardened (at least mine wasn't), and you can damage the metal (don't ask me how I know this). The adaptor seems to work very well for me. I use a belt driven, oil-jacketed high-vacuum pump from an electron microscope, and a bleeder valve system. I use one of the Oneway vacuum cyliners (5-1/2") which works OK; when I get some time (!), I'm making a vacuum plate out of MDF disks, toolbox liner, and a welded nut/washer faceplace obtained from Bill Noble. The EZ adaptor will probably work OK too, but I like the hose position of the rotary adaptor coming off at 90 degrees from the spindle axis; this works better in my situation. Good luck in setting up your vacuum system!!

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1642 Jet Vacuum question also...

I am presently doing the very same thing to my 1642. So many choices... I was thinking about using a EZ Adaptor (79 dollars) or making one for about 10 dollars. If I was to buy the adaptor from Oneway- can I use the punch out rod with the adaptor so to remove the center pin or is there another way to remove the center pin?
What are the Pro's / Cons in using the EZ adaptor .Do you still need a Lamp 3/8" threading rod? if not- what did you put on the face plate side to secure air tightness?

What type of pump can I use that would not be so expensive for this set up. I know I can get a Gast for $350 but that is steep.

Thank you for your help.

Kenny
 
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I have two EZ Adaptor set-ups. One of the adaptors has failed so only one is still operational. I must say that the operational one has worked extremely well. However, it may just be a matter of time before the other bearing fails. If it does, I just hope that it doesn't happen while it is in use. :D :D

I was doing a demo for a carving club once and I didn't watch the thickness of the bottom of the bowl. You guessed it. While I was reverse turning and cleaning up the bottom of the bowl I went through the bottom and lost the vacuum. I didn't particularly like the bowl anyway. I felt reeeaaalll smooth. :eek: :D
 
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Hopefully some answers to your questions.....

Kenny asked (in italics):
I am presently doing the very same thing to my 1642. So many choices... I
was thinking about using a EZ Adapter (79 dollars) or making one for about
10 dollars. If I was to go the route that you took- can you use the punch
out rod with your adapter so to remove the center pin or is there another
way to remove the center pin?


No you can't - to use a knock-out bar to remove things in the Morse taper you must remove the vacuum adapter. In this case the Oneway is likely much easier, since you don't have to unthread anything - just slip the adapter off of the outboard side of the headstock and you're in business.

Is there a reason that you did not choose the less expensive EZ adapter?

Well, my major concern was that the rotating spindle would possibly cause degradation of the seal at the hose connector end. Secondly, I didn't think it a very elegant design to have the weight of the vacuum hose pulling at 90 degrees to the axis of the spindle. The Oneway adapter connection is already at 90 degrees to the spindle axis, so any weight of the hose, etc. is in line with the connector, and likely would not compromise its seal. Although I tend to over-engineer things that I build, I thought this was a major advantage of the Oneway rotary vacuum adaptor.

Pro's / Cons that I have possibly not taken into consideration?

See above - You might also want to have some sort of in-line filter on the vacuum line before it enters the pump - you don't want to suck sawdust and other debris into your vacuum pump. I use sintered metal filters ahead of my pump, and actually filter the "release" air that I let in to the system when I'm "un-chucking" the bowl from the vacuum drum. This may be another example of over-engineering, but one that's designed to protect the pump.

Do you still need a Lamp 3/8" threading rod? if not- what did you put on
the face plate side to secure air tightness?


Nothing. The Oneway vacuum cylinder seals fairly well when threaded on the spindle - even the "stock" faceplate from Jet seals OK too. Some leakage is OK if your vacuum pump can maintain adequate vacuum while you're using the system - remember that to not implode the bowls (especially big ones) you must leak-in air anyway..... so the system does not to be completely airtight. Make sure you do have a good seal at the bowl rim, or at the contact points of a vacuum cylinder.

What type of pump can I use that would not be so expensive for this set up.
I know I can get a Gast for $350 but that is steep.


My friends in our woodworking club often ask where I would get "stuff" since they know that I am particularly "frugal" (read: cheap) and find immense satisfaction in setting up good systems for the least amount of money. I am fortunate that I work at a University, and have our surplus sales operation accessible to me, where I have been able to buy all manner of quality surplus lab-grade equipment that the University sells to the general public on one day each week. My vacuum pump once had an earlier life evacuating the beam tube/sample chamber of an electron microscope, so it's rated for continuous operation - it's an oil-jacketed model, selling new today for $ 2,100; a bit overkill, but very trustworthy! If you are in or near a University town, see if they have such a surplus equipment sales operation - many larger universities do. Short of that, I might recommend a few other places: Vacuum pumps can sometimes be found at Surplus Sales of Nebraska www.surplussales.com or American Science and Surplus www.sciplus.com - look for rotary vane types of vacuum pumps, which are the least expensive - you'll want to get a unit that pulls at least 20 inches of mercury (vacuum) and is rated for continuous operation. If the vendor doesn't specify any ratings, call them and ask! it is important that you get a pump with enough capacity. Alternatively you can look on eBay or other auction sites for vacuum pumps. Some folks use salvaged refrigerator compressors for vacuum sources for veneering, etc. but I think I'd avoid these for lathe work (I don't think they're "beefy" enough). There are also venturi-type vacuum sources which generate some decent vacuum (quite suitable for veneering) using air flow from a compressor, but I don't know if I'd advise you to use this for lathe work.

Good luck setting up your vacuum system!

Cheers,

Rob Wallace
 
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