This thread seems to have veered in a new direction, I hope Odie doesnâ€™t mind My point about what I consider to be over embellishment has been lost or at least a bit muddled. Whether or not something is art or not is a different discussion. I was trying to figure out at what point a piece evolves into something other than a â€˜woodturningâ€ #1. If someone rough turns a bowl, letâ€™s say it takes 15 minutes. Then they carve the piece for 2 hours and take another hour to do some pyrography. Is it still a â€œwoodturningâ€? #2. The same piece, once rough turned is cut into pieces and some, but not all of the pieces are used to create the finished piece. The finished piece, which is now no longer round in shape, has taken the same time to complete as did #1. Is this still considered a â€œwoodturningâ€? Piece #1 is still easily identified as at least having been turned, mostly due to the shape, though the actual time â€œturningâ€ is minimal. Piece #2 however, is much more difficult to identify as to how it was made, let alone what percentage of turning was involved. They are both certainly art, but which category, if any, do they now fit into?