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So I am looking for a new one. Looking at 115v, don't want to mess with 220 wiring again. I have searched for info on here about the Grizzly G0860, only found one thread with little info. I would like a cyclone collector but open to other styles. I almost pulled the trigger on 220v Oneida but backed off for now. [Political statement deleted by Administrtator] Powermatic (the one I like is on backorder) and finally Grizzly. In the end, IF I have to run another 220v line, so be it (really don't want to... LOL).
 
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Grizzly jet and Powermatic are all made innthe same country I think. May be wrong its. Been a while since I looked. I have a 2 bagger grizzly and like it. I had a 1 ag Powermatic that was OK but the Griz is bigger and twice as powerful. It did take 220. I prefer 220.but I can understand it can be expensive if you have to pay someone to install it.
 
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I can run the 220v if I need to. Looking at a Laguna C/Flux:1 also. Is Oneida the only one made in the USA? If I end up running 220, it will be an Oneida I think but would really like to be able to use the 120v/20amp outlets I have.
 

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In my opinion, a cyclone separator is a must if you use the unit in any serious way. A good cyclone will collect 99+ percent of the chips and dust and dump it into a canister that is easy to carry and dump and that requires no cleaning. Cloth filter bags are a PINTA to dump and clean which will be frequent if you do not have a cyclone.
 

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Any feedback on the Laguna vs. the Jet?
 
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My first was a 2hp Grizzly, after a couple years I made a home made cyclone for it and dumped the bags - much better. Used another 6-7yrs with cyclone.

Moved houses and bought the biggest Jet cyclone. It was better than my previous. Used that for a dozen years.

4yrs ago moved again. Installed a 3hp Oneida V. LOVE IT. Oneida costs more, but I’d recommend buying your last one first :) Go with the Oneida if you can afford it.
 
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If I decide to put in 220, I will get the Oneida Supercell 55 gallon. After some reading, if I don't put in 220, I will get the Laguna Tools 1.5hp C/Flex:1. Looks like there is a long wait on either one so I have more time to read/compare.
 
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I find that we tend to plan our needs for dust collectors a bit too "optimistic". We undersize based on our needs. Bearing in mind that the ratings on them are under perfect, lab conditions...that NEVER occur in the real world shop environment. Oversizing a dust collector results in no harm. Undersizing will leave you frustrated, and not getting the results you had hoped for - chiefly, keeping the air cleaner for your health and keeping your shop space cleaner. Duct design is incredibly important. Bill Pentz has a website that has a HUGE amount of information on it. Truly head-spin worthy if you try to speed read thru it. But really worth looking over. It even includes free plans and drawings for making your own 2 stage cyclone dust collector.
 
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Not sure about the other systems, but I have a 3 hp Oneida, which can handle 2 machines at once. They will design your duct systems for you. They have some that are very small foot prints, and have flow ratings that you can trust. Other than them, I know of Clear View, and they got a lot of good reviews.

I still don't trust Grizzly. Had a friend who got one maybe 10 years ago. He had to drill out most of the holes on the frame because they didn't fit or line up. The impellor blade was so out of balance that a local machine shop wouldn't even touch it to try to repair it, and he had to get it totally replaces. Major pain...

Oh, you want the pleated paper filters, and not the cloth bags. You get far more surface area to vent through in a much smaller space. You don't need a 55 gallon waste barrel, I have the smaller, maybe 30 gallon ones. Only problem is if I 'forget' to check levels and the filter fills up.... I do take the filter out to clean it once in a while, and hosed the inside off. No problems with it.

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I still don't trust Grizzly. Had a friend who got one maybe 10 years ago. He had to drill out most of the holes on the frame because they didn't fit or line up. The impeller blade was so out of balance that a local machine shop wouldn't even touch it to try to repair it, and he had to get it totally replaces. Major pain...

Oh, you want the pleated paper filters, and not the cloth bags.
robo hippy

I was leaning towards the Grizzly until I started reading more about them. Many people have the complaint about the impeller being very out of balance so I threw that one out the window.
My current collector is an older Delta. It had the cloth bag but the unit did not get used alot until I got my lathe. I just bought the canister filter for it, maybe 2 hours use and the motor problems started. I'm tired of messing with it so for sure I will get one with a canister. As far as the barrel size, I see most are within a couple dollars of each other on the Oneida so I figured the 55 would work. I'm sure the 30 would work fine too. When I order one, I'll flip a coin. :) I will be running, not at once, but a table saw, thickness planer, joiner, etc as I do a lot of flat-work also. That is.... when my better half allows me to park her car outside while I.... play....

Love the advice I've received, thank-you everyone!
 
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Here's my comment on the bin size, when it comes time to lug it to the curb I'd rather tote 30 gallons of sawdust that 55 gallons, even if I have to tote twice as often. In fact, 15 or 20 gallons is a bit to haul.
 

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Here's my comment on the bin size, when it comes time to lug it to the curb I'd rather tote 30 gallons of sawdust that 55 gallons, even if I have to tote twice as often. In fact, 15 or 20 gallons is a bit to haul.
I agree! ....especially when your shop is in the basement ....and you're an old guy .... and - - - - :(
 

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So I am looking for a new one. Looking at 115v, don't want to mess with 220 wiring again. I have searched for info on here about the Grizzly G0860, only found one thread with little info. I would like a cyclone collector but open to other styles. I almost pulled the trigger on 220v Oneida but backed off for now. [Political statement deleted by Administrtator] Powermatic (the one I like is on backorder) and finally Grizzly. In the end, IF I have to run another 220v line, so be it (really don't want to... LOL).

Curious, John.....what died? There are only two moving parts on a DC - the motor shaft and impeller. Did the motor burn out or just stop working? Did you check all the usual suspects - switch, outlet, circuit breaker, capacitor? I know....you just want a new shiny one! :rolleyes: All woodturners are the same!
 
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Regarding canister size. Like Robo I have the 30gal because I have height limitations where I mounted it. 30gal is great plenty for lathe (only use for dust), tablesaw, bandsaw, mitersaw and even router table (not used for long periods). I often leave 2-4 gates open at the same time with the Oneida 3hp and it works great.

When using the planer much it fills up FAST - I just hauled 3bags out from two days of shop work that included planing down 100-200 ft from rough. I’d love to have the larger barrel, but then would probably complain about the weight :)

Don’t make the mistake of letting it overfill, I’ve done that a couple times and spent a long time cleaning out all the pathways through the cyclone, including a stuffed canister filter.
 
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I think you really need to have a HEPA rated filter (especially if your shop is in your house), and then a properly designed cyclone to extend the life of the expensive HEPA filter. I know the DC will not collect all of the superfine dust at the tool, but the more you can keep out of your lungs the better. I know this is not a popular opinion among woodworkers.

Purchasing a proper DC is expensive, but you pay now or you pay later. It doesn't take much to end up with $3k medical bills.....
 
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Curious, John.....what died? There are only two moving parts on a DC - the motor shaft and impeller. Did the motor burn out or just stop working? Did you check all the usual suspects - switch, outlet, circuit breaker, capacitor? I know....you just want a new shiny one! :rolleyes: All woodturners are the same!

Shiny/new is fun!! Seriously, even though I can afford it, it is coming out of my new camper fund. I'd rather have the new camper but with covid... not going to happen this year.

Motor at first would run up about half speed then pop the push button breaker on the motor controll. It started working good after a cleaning. Worked good that day and now, it just does that electrical grunt/groan and pops the breaker on the motor control box. It is plugged into a 20amp circuit that I put in bout 6 months back. I can spin the impeller freely, no catches, no lags, it will spin quite a while showing no resistance at all. I have toyed with replacing the capacitors in the box but frankly afraid to mess with capacitors, from my old'n days of working on airplanes, those things from what I remember can pack a heart stopping wallup. The older I get, the more and more I just don't want to mess with 'lectric anything. I've also toyed with just purchasing a new 'lectric motor. Yea, new/shiny is calling me but....... tomorrow is a new day.
 
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I had the large Delta dust collector for a lot of years when I did almost all flat work utilizing a table saw, 15" planer, 8" jointer, etc. etc. and I got tired of the amount of dust in the air and issues with the cloth bags so I switched to a 3 hp Oneida V system. What an amazing difference in dust capture as well as planer, jointer and router table debris. It is also quieter - and my wife will happily attest to that.
 

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I've probably gone through more iterations on DC setups than anything else in my shop. Started too small with dumb design and over time have something now that works. Will echo some of the same things - go bigger than you think you need, 30 gal trash can with separator on top is great, scoop up what you can with a shovel first then suck up the rest, use 4"+ hose wherever you can, filter bags are a real pain. I would get more stuff on me cleaning the bag than turning a bowl. Like others said - since the trash can gets the finer particles and packs it down it will be VERY heavy when it gets full.

I'm also considering and upgrade/change. My current system vents to the outside - a great solution if you can do it. Anything not trapped by the separator goes outside - no filters. The downside is it creates neg air pressure in the shop so makes it a challenge to keep it cool in the heat of the summer since I use a portable AC that creates its own neg pressure. Friend of mine recently got the Jet 650CK and really likes it.
 

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Shiny/new is fun!! Seriously, even though I can afford it, it is coming out of my new camper fund. I'd rather have the new camper but with covid... not going to happen this year.

Motor at first would run up about half speed then pop the push button breaker on the motor controll. It started working good after a cleaning. Worked good that day and now, it just does that electrical grunt/groan and pops the breaker on the motor control box. It is plugged into a 20amp circuit that I put in bout 6 months back. I can spin the impeller freely, no catches, no lags, it will spin quite a while showing no resistance at all. I have toyed with replacing the capacitors in the box but frankly afraid to mess with capacitors, from my old'n days of working on airplanes, those things from what I remember can pack a heart stopping wallup. The older I get, the more and more I just don't want to mess with 'lectric anything. I've also toyed with just purchasing a new 'lectric motor. Yea, new/shiny is calling me but....... tomorrow is a new day.
Any motor repair shops nearby?..... they aren't afraid. :D Use the Yellow Pages (do we still have those?) - or the technology version. :)
 
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Repair shop is 30ish miles from my place. I called and talked to them, they said sounds like starter cap. They said we don't have that one in stock but for $5 they will order it for me. I figured, what do I have to loose, so I went for it. I looked at it, decided I can due 2 screws without shorting myself out so we will see if that fixes it. Hope it does but for $5, gotta try. If it does fix it, I'm still going to modify mine. I'll get a cyclone adapter and give it a shot. It has a new canister/filter, sure would be nice to not spend 2-3k for a new set-up. Especially since my log splitter took a dump, ordered a new one today.... it's always something..... LOL

I took the motor out of my DC, put it on my workbench and plugged it in. Hit the switch, does the motor strain/grunt then pops the breaker. I reset the breaker, hit start then gave the shaft a spin, it takes right off every time. As long as the shaft is turning, it spins right up. Yup, I thunk da start cap is the cause.
 
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You might verify that the centrifugal switch contacts are closed for starting. If there is no centrifugal switch (unlikely) then it could be a current sensing relay and you would probably need help. If the contracts don't open as the motor comes up to speed then you get the condition you described as "Motor at first would run up about half speed then pop the push button breaker". Careful, don't smoke the motor windings.
 
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Thanks for the info. If the cap does not fix it, I will drop it off at the repair shop for their help, it would be over my head/experience. I was trained in aircraft electronics, not elec. motors and it has been a looooooong time. If they say it takes alot to fix it or needs replaced, I will again look at a new cyclone.
 

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Repair shop is 30ish miles from my place. I called and talked to them, they said sounds like starter cap. They said we don't have that one in stock but for $5 they will order it for me. I figured, what do I have to loose, so I went for it. I looked at it, decided I can due 2 screws without shorting myself out so we will see if that fixes it. Hope it does but for $5, gotta try. If it does fix it, I'm still going to modify mine. I'll get a cyclone adapter and give it a shot. It has a new canister/filter, sure would be nice to not spend 2-3k for a new set-up. Especially since my log splitter took a dump, ordered a new one today.... it's always something..... LOL

I took the motor out of my DC, put it on my workbench and plugged it in. Hit the switch, does the motor strain/grunt then pops the breaker. I reset the breaker, hit start then gave the shaft a spin, it takes right off every time. As long as the shaft is turning, it spins right up. Yup, I thunk da start cap is the cause.

I think that will save you more than a few bucks $$$$$. :)
 
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Capacitor(s) may be okay ... could also be the centrifugal switch. I have had 2 Laguna motors where the centrifugal switches failed, resulting in the same issue you are seeing.
 
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Picked up the starter capacitor this morning. Got to it after lunch, changed out and plugged it in. Spun like she was new. Put collector back together, fired 'er up and she went to town, sucking up a storm. Well, as good as a `20 yr old tool. So far, so good. Guy at electric shop said it is what he calls a throw-away motor, not if but when it dies, better off replacing the whole unit. So, I guess next time it dies, I'll have my oneida fund built up. For now, she's alive! Back to making shavings! Well, maybe after I fix hydraulics on one tractor, leak on another, then rewire a friends tractor, mow 3 acres covered in leaves, til those leaves/grass under in garden, butcher bout a dozen roosters, cut another load of firewood... man... it never ends. I want to turn-baby-turn!
 
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Umm, maybe if the motor dies again, get a good motor to replace it. Sounds like every thing else on the DC is good. That would be a cheaper solution. I hate throw away tools....

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Motor shop quoted me $600 out the door for a replacement motor. I'm sure I could find one for less, but that replacement cost is much more than I originally paid for this tool. I try to keep repair cost of any unit to 75% or less than original cost, any more and tool gets replaced. We will see what happens when the time comes but I hope this repair last a while. I do like inexpensive repairs but when it can be replaced for a couple more $$s, it's time.

Thanks for all the replies, as always, y'all are great!
 
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Welp, to resurrect an old thread.... time has come to play the taps for this DC. The $5 cap fix got me another 10 months use, well, a good hard use for 6 months. Had to take time off for family problems including a looooong trip... but I digress. Today while running it to collect dust at my workbench from sanding, it just stopped like I had turned the switch off. Nope, did not hit it by accident... LOL Tried to fire it back up... nothing, not even a groan. Took hoses off, opened up and discovered some bent vanes, straightened them up and still dead to the world. Right before shutting down on me, she was vibrating pretty bad, bad enough it cracked the electronics box on motor in half.. wow, must have had a previous crack somewhere. Yea, I checked my tools, nothing missing... LOL, but for SnGs I will go through the chip bag to make sure it was a big piece of bark and not a tool that went through it. o_O Don't know what is wrong but enough is enough, time for a new one. I'm leaning real hard on the 3 hp Oneida V system, guess it's time. Can't justify the price of the 5 horse model, especially with all the stuff I just bought for a new Tri-Glide (and a new dog-house for me to sleep in.... LOL), it's just a hobby not a business. Now to get off me duff and run a tape measure to the garage to see if I have the 8"4" clearance it requires. I gotta do something, my workshop is a 2 car garage connected to the house.
 
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I have no experience with them, but Clear View is another DC system, and I am pretty sure they are made in USA. Those that have them really like them. They were not around when I got my Oneida. My Oneida did shut down once. Couldn't get it started again. Took the set up to an electrical shop because I thought it was the motor. Apparently it was hard wired in a manner so that when it did trip, you couldn't reset it, or some electrical talk like that. They fixed it for me, and it is still running strong.

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I'll check them out, thanks. I'm not totally sold on Oneida but am leaning that way. What is currently stopping me is the 35 gallon version is a 10 week wait, the 55 gallon version is a 4 week wait. I'm sure they are having a hard time getting supplies just like every one else with the pandemic. I'm going to spend some time looking at all the brands and ratings again, that 3k for an DC would go far in comfort items for my new scoot. Wife rides with me on the trike so ... her.... comfort kinda takes preference for now. Come winter, I might be able to go that high without sleeping in the dog-house.... LOL

A different note, today I took one of the rounds out of freezer to turn today. About 30 minutes out of freezer/working in the lathe, I was standing off to the side changing tools to use and crack, heard a loud pop and crash (?) from something bouncing off the wall beside my head. I was not even turning at the moment, it just shattered while I was not touching it, no catch, nuttin. What a shame, it was a very nice looking piece of very red/knotty box elder. Would have made a real nice bowl.... oh-well. Sure gave me pause about making sure I wear a mask when turning, if I had been a few inches over and no mask..... I might not be so hansom now...... LOL
 
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I have the 3 hp Oneida and love it. Been using it hard for about 15 years now with no issues. This year I added their new noise baffle. The difference is incredible. Reduces the sound level by about 10db.
 
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I have the Oneida Supercell (35 gallon) ... great machine with incredible suction.
 
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I have an Oneida Supercell with the 35 gallon drum and have been well pleased with it. I ordered at the beginning of this year and it was shipped much earlier than the estimated ship date posted on their website.
 
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