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Ed, It was my impression that a significant portion of the page view were not determined to be members. I guess my mistake grew out of the very small amount of traffic on this forum.

Sorry Owen:eek:
 
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Mark,

That is not correct - the main site (woodturner.org) gets a tremendous amount of traffic - 291,305 page views in July. It's not possible to say exactly, but my guess is that on the order of 40 to 60 percent of AAW's membership visit the main site on a fairly regular basis. And, main site visits may grow significantly as the online Journal catches on. BTW, there are over 62,000 other websites linked to woodturner.org

Study this graphic carefully - July forum traffic was about 1/25th of the main sites.

Ed don't mix up page views with unique visitors. One person can easy visit 100s of pages per month. I know on my forum there are dozens of people who visit over 100 pages per day.

And you are right, there is really no way of knowing how many AAW members visit AAW's website and forum in any given month.
 
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Ed don't mix up page views with unique visitors. One person can easy visit 100s of pages per month. I know on my forum there are dozens of people who visit over 100 pages per day.

And you are right, there is really no way of knowing how many AAW members visit AAW's website and forum in any given month.

Ron,

I think an average of 5 to 10 page views per visitor is a pretty good number to work with. But, if the average number per visitor was 20 page views for example, then that would mean we had over 14,500 visitors to the main site in July - that's a very big number. Of course, some of those visits may be the same person coming back several times - then again, a 20 page view average per visit is conservative IMHO.

What I can say for sure is that 13,095 different AAW members have logged onto the main site's members area at least once since it was first made available about three and a half years ago. Some of those people have probably left AAW, but based on the annual membership renewal rates, I'm pretty confident in saying that at least 60 percent of AAW's current membership has visited the members area at least once.
 
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Ed, how many hits do you think were just from George and Dave in the last month? How many for me? I might access the forum sites anywhere from 3 to 20 times in any given day. If the information page has 6 threads and I click on just 2 pages each aren't the number off?
 
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Ed, how many hits do you think were just from George and Dave in the last month? How many for me? I might access the forum sites anywhere from 3 to 20 times in any given day. If the information page has 6 threads and I click on just 2 pages each aren't the number off?

Stuart,

That's a good question, and I don’t have a good answer - GoDaddy apparently uses “Report Magic†as their stat gathering application and control panel interface. And I can find zero information on how they measure "page views". It's possible that their count is for unique visits to the forum and not visits to individual pages on the forum. Or, they could be counting page views by a particular IP over a given period of time. That's the problem with publishing stats - industry standards are not in concrete or consistent from one host or third party app to another, and they rarely specify the underling algorithms (proprietary software) to their data collection and analysis methodology.
 
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Ron,

I think an average of 5 to 10 page views per visitor is a pretty good number to work with. But, if the average number per visitor was 20 page views for example, then that would mean we had over 14,500 visitors to the main site in July - that's a very big number. Of course, some of those visits may be the same person coming back several times - then again, a 20 page view average per visit is conservative IMHO.

What I can say for sure is that 13,095 different AAW members have logged onto the main site's members area at least once since it was first made available about three and a half years ago. Some of those people have probably left AAW, but based on the annual membership renewal rates, I'm pretty confident in saying that at least 60 percent of AAW's current membership has visited the members area at least once.

Let's see

I log on to the main forum (1st page view)
I click on the Information thread (2nd pv)
Then I click on this thread (3rd pv)
Next I click on reply (4th pv)
I type this in and I click on preview (5th pv)
If everything is good I click on submit (6th pv)

If I come back to check on a reply you can add 3 more pv.

I think you are confusing pages views with unique visitors.
 
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All of this talk about unique visitors and page views is a complete wast of time and bandwidth trying to figure how many people actually use the AAW website. Unless there is a way to determine how many AAW members specifically log onto the site the information is useless. If you want to do something constructive, work on finding a way to promote the use of the site to the AAW membership.
 
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All of this talk about unique visitors and page views is a complete wast of time and bandwidth trying to figure how many people actually use the AAW website.

Why is that Greg?

I certainly don't think so.

If you tell me that 11,000 people showed up on the forum in a month when really only 400 people showed up 28 times in that same month, we are talking a big difference in numbers.

According to ED, 60% of the viewers are AAW members. So if 400 people showed up 28 times, that means only 240 AAW members have actually viewed this site.

What this means is this site is not reaching a significant number of its members.

Unless there is a way to determine how many AAW members specifically log onto the site the information is useless. .

I'm trying to determine is what is the best way to reach the most AAW members and that is still through the Journal. This information is useful.

If you want to do something constructive, work on finding a way to promote the use of the site to the AAW membership.

In case you missed this, I am doing something constructive.
 

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Does the reporting mechanism include or filter out search engine robot (webcrawler) page hits? Google, Bing, and others have robots that look for new content. On some sites, this accounts for the bulk of the page hits.
 
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Ron, you are confusing the main site and forum numbers – two different domains, two different hosts and two different sets of stats.

Sigh…I guess this is too much data for too many people to slice, dice and argue about. Never mind, guys. Signing off on this subject.
 
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Ron,

First, it doesn’t take a mathematician or a rocket scientist to figure out that there is normally low traffic to the AAW website. To anyone that frequents the site it is quite obvious.

Second, the information received from the server only shows page hits and unique visits (those that come to the site). As you stated in an earlier post one person can easy visit 100s of pages per month. This renders page hits useless for stat analysis for what you are trying to do. The unique hits include everyone that comes to the site. The site is open to non members meaning that anyone can come on the site and that is what is being counted NOT aaw members. Again, this renders this useless for stat analysis for what you are trying to do.

Third, how does Ed know that 60% of the viewers are AAW members? Unless he is tracking AAW members he has know way of telling. From frequenting the site and using name recognition it is more like 10 – 15% of the membership is using the site and that is pushing it.
 
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Ron, you are confusing the main site and forum numbers – two different domains, two different hosts and two different sets of stats.

Sigh…I guess this is too much data for too many people to slice, dice and argue about. Never mind, guys. Signing off on this subject.

No, I'm not confusing the two, as you showed us, you had 11,294 page views on the forum for the month of July. From that, and based on what I know about forums and websites, I can infer that only about 400 people visited this forum. (400 people times 28 visits = 11,200 page views)

Now, if you had installed the proper analytic software code into the webpages, you would know for a fact of how many different people actually visit here instead of over inflating the numbers.

@ AlanZ. You are right, about 25% of those page views could very well be from search engines

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Volunteering??

Sounds like folks are volunteering for the webmaster position! I suspect Ed would welcome a breather. Be careful what you wish for.:)
 
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Talk about a thread being taken off target . . . . below was my original post.




The Statement from Mary Lacer and the Board of Directors (August 10, 2010) posted on the AAW home page includes the following quote:

"The Board of Directors simply wishes to move the AAW in new directions."

I would gratefully appreciate it if the current Board Members, and the Candidates for the Board of Directors, would post their reflections detailing the new direction that we're going.

Thank you for taking the time to share this information with the AAW membership.
 
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Talk about a thread being taken off target . . . . below was my original post.

Its called "Evolution of a thread" Al ;)

There is a method to my madness, although there has been some to say there is a madness to my method. :)
 
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