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Best Layout & Marking Instrument

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I've watched hundreds of demonstrations and videos discussing the best this or that tool for a particular job. But, while quite often used by woodturners, I've never seen (nor read) a good discussion on marking tools: pencils, pens, markers and what not to mark wood for turning. I've never been happy with anything round as it's not so easy to keep on the same line when marking around the circumference. Markers don't seem to hold up to the rough surfaces and can be absorbed too deeply into the wood. I seem to have gravitated (at least for now) to plain ol' flat carpenter's pencils. I just hate having to sharpen them so often. I also wanted something that would stay in a shirt pocket or vest so it would always be with me no matter where I am in the shop. So I went looking for alternatives with i)flat surface to sit on the tool rest and not roll around if placed on a table, ii)pocket clip, iii)tip protection, iii) long wearing tip. I ended up purchasing one of these:


There were similar options with better flat surfaces, but none had a pocket clip.

Interested in others' thoughts on marking tools, my latest purchase, and what they use.
 
What I used and use on canvases today is colored chalk, orange, yes it does roll but marks about any surface. Wally world in stationary dept, could not just buy 1 piece. I was never precise but turned to eye, right brain, left brain.
 
I just use a plain old every day No. 2 Pencil - They're cheap, buy a pack or two at the dollar store, sharpen a few and leave em laying all around the shop, always a pencil when needed, and if I don't have sharpener handy, well that's why I carry a "jackknife" .. Probably have had one in my pocket since I was 12 years old and got my first Barlow. (except the very few and far between plane trips I went on)
 
I use mechanical pencils with a .9mm lead. most of the time. A pack of 25 in assorted colors costs about 10 bucks. They are laying all over my shop! there is never one more than a few feet from where I'm standing. . I like the thick lead on the one you bought, and might take a look. .9mm is sometimes too brittle/not thick enough, but I keep some #2 pencils around also. I CA glue a 1/4" rare earh magnic to them and have a couple attached to my lathe and bandsaw
 
The mechanical pencil you referenced uses a 5.6mm lead and includes a sharpener in the screw off cap.
For reference 5.6mm = .22inch or a little under 1/4" so if you want a line that you can work with you are going to have to sharpen anyway.
So like BG said just use a no. 2 pencil.
 
I love these little holders - got a couple on the lathe, bandsaws, tool boxes.... They hold regular pencil or a sharpie or anything about that size.

Great things -- I have several on my lathe and bandsaw, with at least one on the drill press etc.
And No 2 pencils, although the quality of the lead in some is terrible -- all seem to have smaller diameter than before, or sometimes lots of small lengths so that when I sharpen them, the lead just falls out. Some have been so bad that way they are useless.
 
I just use a plain old every day No. 2 Pencil
Like Brian, I just us no. 2 pencils. I’ve got an old electric sharpener not far from the lathe. Great for one-handed putting a fine point on the pencil. I mounted a double duty pencil and turning lamp holder just behind the headstock A44C5BF3-5813-4275-BD59-327F3C481D6F.jpeg
 
Having done construction for many years, I stay with the carpenter's pencils, when I can find them, and I probably have a dozen in the shop.... I did see a marking pencil that was called 'bottle of ink in a pencil' that would write on wet surfaces. If you put it on concrete, the mark never goes away. I don't need to be very accurate when making bowl blanks, and pencil marks are fine. Some times I use Sharpies. I did see a video the other day with some one cutting up an oak log for furniture. He lined up one of the laser lay out tools and a vertical line, and kept that line on the chainsaw bar while cutting out boards. It worked really well.... When I make furniture, I use a knife for lay out.

robo hippy
 
I've been using Pica Dry Long Life Automatic Pencil 3030 for a couple of years now and I really like them. They even have a built in sharpener and you can get white leads for dark woods. They are available on Amazon for about $14.

 
Hmm, well I use the regular pencils HB usually have a few B and 2B alos in that bunch is couple of old school clutch pencils 2mm lead. These are from pre cad days. Crikey! I must be old :) Staedtler-Mechanical clutch-Pencil.

The pencils generally live here, but not necessarily :)
 

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Thanks for the inputs everyone. Not surprising that the #2 pencil is clearly the most widely preferred. The simple pencil just fails me too often: Short use before re-sharpening. Easily breaks in use or in your pocket. No indigenous pocket clip. Cheap ones don't sharpen reliably. Must have a separate sharpener. I'm in search of something "better" for the primary purpose of marking off turning partitions. Not impeaching the pencil users. Certainly a simple, cheap and workable solution. One I've used myself quite often.

I was hoping for some imaginative solutions I had not thought of. The mechanical carpenter's pencil is the only "new-to-me" thing I've seen suggested so far. I had seen the Irwin "carpenter tip" things, but I don't care for those for any kind of woodworking use. As I said I have been using a carpenter's pencil of late, but it is only slightly more durable than a #2.

I have some Staedtler 2mm lead holders. Will give those a try, but am skeptical it'll be much more durable than a #2. Maybe a little because it is thicker.

I have a Pica mark-on-everything deep hole ink marker. It does mark on everything nicely, but mine leaks and can make a mess. I haven't tried their lead version. Has some promise with the thick lead.

I also have 0.5, 0.7, and 0.9 pencils. None are tough enough IMO for turning. The 0.9 is OK though.

Someone suggested/uses chalk. I have some and some marking crayons too. I'm not real fond of chalk dust though. Maybe the marking crayons. But both fail the same areas as a pencil.

I had also picked up some disposable grade school mechanical pencils that use a lead I think is a little bigger than 0.9. My thought process was that these were cheap enough to use and throw away. What I found is the plastic housing just doesn't hold up and also tends to wander on the tool rest due to the convex shape.

As for the comment that the 5.6 will be 1/4" wide when dull, thus requiring sharpening just like a pencil: I expect the fat lead to break less frequently and require less sharpening than a #2 by a large margin. Unless you are doing identical replication work, a fairly wide line is also sufficient to mark for proportioning purposes. I may not be able to use until it is completely blunt, but it should go a long way before it reaches that point. Besides, because it's all lead you can probably rough sharpen in on a smooth rounded area of the work piece by simply laying it over on its side while spinning the wood. Further, the selected lead holder also has a built-in sharpener, always at hand if sharpening is called for; no separate sharpener to lose. The point is retracted and protected when in my pocket, while being secured by the pocket clip. The venerable pencil fails in all these areas. I'll report back on the 5.6 mm lead once I get it and use it a bit.

If anyone has something "new" to suggest, please post it. I'm looking to improve on the wheel......uh I mean pencil :)
 
Not exactly what you're asking for, except for maybe the "new" bit: Someone once suggested (can't remember who or when) using water color pencils. This was in the context of something that wouldn't bury powdedr in wood pores like pencil graphite, and doesn't dent softer wood like a pencil can sometimes do. Supposedly they wash off easily or something. I haven't tried them yet, but may someday.
 
Not exactly what you're asking for, except for maybe the "new" bit: Someone once suggested (can't remember who or when) using water color pencils. This was in the context of something that wouldn't bury powdedr in wood pores like pencil graphite, and doesn't dent softer wood like a pencil can sometimes do. Supposedly they wash off easily or something. I haven't tried them yet, but may someday.
Thanks Dave. I have watercolor pencils. The thing with them is if they get wet they are permanent. They are also very costly (like $2 each). I love my set but wouldn't think about wasting them for marking wood. Great for embellishing though. Keep the ideas coming.:):):):):)
 
I'm a fan of the 5.6mm lead clutch pencil kits sold as shop pencils or the 3mm sketch pencilkits I got through Craft Supply a long while back. They last forever and mark well - both have the included sharpener and pocket clips. I turn the barrels a little fat, then sand in some flats on the belt sander so they won't roll too easily.
Seems like a lot of people that come to the shop admire them, so I keep a few kits around just in case I need to replace one that got gifted, or make one for a friend. They're very popular for flat work or round. I order extra lead so I can send them out with a good supply.
I tried the colored leads they sell for the 3mm versions, but seem to like the regular leads best.
 
I'm a fan of the 5.6mm lead clutch pencil kits sold as shop pencils or the 3mm sketch pencilkits I got through Craft Supply a long while back. They last forever and mark well - both have the included sharpener and pocket clips. I turn the barrels a little fat, then sand in some flats on the belt sander so they won't roll too easily.
Seems like a lot of people that come to the shop admire them, so I keep a few kits around just in case I need to replace one that got gifted, or make one for a friend. They're very popular for flat work or round. I order extra lead so I can send them out with a good supply.
I tried the colored leads they sell for the 3mm versions, but seem to like the regular leads best.
Thanks Jeff. I ran across those kits right after I placed the order for the Koh-i-noor. If I need more/another later, I will probably get the kits (assuming I'm happy with overall performance over a std. pencil).
 
Someone once suggested (can't remember who or when) using water color pencils. This was in the context of something that wouldn't bury powdedr in wood pores like pencil graphite, and doesn't dent softer wood like a pencil can sometimes do. Supposedly they wash off easily or something.
Al Stirt put me onto watercolor pencils for marking carving lines on painted surfaces.
Washes off with a damp cloth no visible marks - works great

Chalk is great for marking a bump inside a bowl. Residue easily removed with compressed air.
 
Al Stirt put me onto watercolor pencils for marking carving lines on painted surfaces.
Washes off with a damp cloth no visible marks - works great

Chalk is great for marking a bump inside a bowl. Residue easily removed with compressed air.
I would use colored pencils but not watercolor pencils for this purpose. WC pencil marks turn to paint when wet. If left to dry, it becomes permanent. I suppose if you just used a light mark and then a relatively large amount of water it would come off as long as you didn't leave any residue to dry. But why waste such expensive pencils when cheap colored pencils would do the same job?

I like the chalk idea for wide bumps.
 
Update. Receive the Koh-i-Noor 5.6mm today. Only tried it out on the lathe for a second. But, it's pretty obvious it's going to be way better than a #2 or carpenter's pencil. Drew with it for over an hour on paper and hardly rounded the tip. Will last way longer than a pencil before resharpening, and likely won't break. Pretty beefy chunk of lead.

Some else had suggested the Pica Dry.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJNoV8ACwQo

This looks to also be a great product. I have this on my wish list too.
 
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