Brass Threaded Inserts source UPDATE!!!

[Emiliano Achaval]

Found half the equation in the UK, searching for "brass flanged back nut". We must call it something else. Now we need some threads... haven't given up yet...

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3" FLANGED BACKNUT YOU CANNOT MEASURE A BSP THREAD WITH RULER/TAPE MEASURE Assorted sizes BSPP Brass Bush If you have any questions regarding size issue please email and we will get back to you asap. The threaded part(s) of plumbing fittings are made to a British Standard Pipe Thread size (BSP)...

www.cobrafixings.co.uk

That's it!! I'm visiting the specialty plumbing stores this week. Thanks for looking into this. Aloha.

 

[Donovan Bailey]

Found half the equation in the UK, searching for "brass flanged back nut". We must call it something else. Now we need some threads... haven't given up yet...

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3" FLANGED BACKNUT YOU CANNOT MEASURE A BSP THREAD WITH RULER/TAPE MEASURE Assorted sizes BSPP Brass Bush If you have any questions regarding size issue please email and we will get back to you asap. The threaded part(s) of plumbing fittings are made to a British Standard Pipe Thread size (BSP)...

www.cobrafixings.co.uk

"Backnut" sounds like some kind of hickory.

 

[Randy Anderson]

I'm still sitting on a request for a few pet urns and got another today at a market event I was at so thanks for the info. Maybe now I can get started.

 

[Emiliano Achaval]

I'm happy to report that Mary Brantley, Rick's widow, and their son Christopher are continuing with Rick's work. I talked to Mary a few days ago. She sent me 4 of the 4 in brass inserts. If you need some, send her an email or call her on the phone. My brother in law passed away a few days ago. A got the call to make an urn and the same day I got the box from Mary. Looks like Rick was up there and knew I really needed the inserts. the website is www.fromwalnuttoantlers.com

 

[robo hippy]

Well, reading all of this makes me wonder what other types of metals will work. I think with the brass there is a lead safety issue. I was wondering about stainless steel? Perhaps make a rubber mold and cast epoxy for inserts? Make it thick enough to withstand most warping... Maybe make with a flange to add warp resistance???

robo hippy

 

[Graham Dolby]

A member of our guild regularly makes cremation urns and he gave a talk at one meeting outlining the criteria that funeral directors demand.

Cremation Urns have to fit the following parameters due to their being large enough to hold the ashes yet still small enough to fit into a normal Crypt (12” D X 12” H X 6” W)
Size – one pound of flesh equals 1 cubic inch of ash. Funeral homes want urns that hold at least 200 cubic inches.
The urn must be sealed and be able to be sealed once filled with ash (the ash is normally in a plastic bag inside the urn, so care must be taken to ensure there are no sharp edges, burs, or roughness that could puncture or rip the plastic bag).
Opening at top for ashes bust be at least 2 ½” diameter.

I have yet to make a funeral urn but I did buy some of Rick's inserts as aprt of a group buy 2 years ago.

 

[R Henrickson]

Well, reading all of this makes me wonder what other types of metals will work. I think with the brass there is a lead safety issue. I was wondering about stainless steel? Perhaps make a rubber mold and cast epoxy for inserts? Make it thick enough to withstand most warping... Maybe make with a flange to add warp resistance???

robo hippy

I don't believe there is lead in brass.

 

[Phil Winch]

Graham, I'm not sure I understand your dimensions. Normally, we have L (length) X W (width) X H (height). Can you clarify your D X H X W?

 

[robo hippy]

Some years back, when I still did concrete work, the groove cutting tools were all made out of brass. They stopped making those and went to cheap pot metal. Supposedly this was because of the possibility of lead poisoning from the lead in the brass. At least that is the story I heard. I don't think they were bronze... The only thing I really know about metals is how to grind them...

robo hippy

 

[stu senator]

Some years back, when I still did concrete work, the groove cutting tools were all made out of brass. They stopped making those and went to cheap pot metal. Supposedly this was because of the possibility of lead poisoning from the lead in the brass. At least that is the story I heard. I don't think they were bronze... The only thing I really know about metals is how to grind them...

robo hippy

Some alloys may contain some lead, but small amounts, to cut concrete they most likely had some abrasive included. Pot metal is cheaper.
For alloys see below.

Metal Alloy Comparison Guide: Copper, Brass, & Bronze - SB&C Blog

Sequoia Brass & Copper is a leading distributor of copper, brass, and bronze. Each is available in different grades and offers distinct properties.

www.sequoia-brass-copper.com

Stu

 

[Graham Dolby]

Phil. the dimensions refer to the crypt: 12" deep, 12" high and 6" wide.
Of course these size limits don't apply if you are keeping the remains at home or burying the urn. However, the minimum 2.5" diameter of the opening still applies.

 

[Don Wattenhofer]

Phil. the dimensions refer to the crypt: 12" deep, 12" high and 6" wide.
Of course these size limits don't apply if you are keeping the remains at home or burying the urn. However, the minimum 2.5" diameter of the opening still applies.

That sounds like the urn, if turned and round, would need to be at maximum 5-7/8" outside diameter (to fit the width) and 11-7/8" outside height (to fit the height). Note a cylinder shape 5" inside diameter X 11" high would equal about 215 cubic inches and of course that only leaves 7/16" for the top bottom and side, which would be hard to accomplish in wood.

 

[Graham Dolby]

Those are the dimensions supplied by local undertakers/funeral directors. Yours may be different but it is not necessary to use their crypt, which is just another money maker for them.
The urns containing my parent's ashes were buried in a cemetery so dimensions were not critical,
The urn that is illustrated as my avatar is 7.5" in diameter and 3-4mm or 1/8" - 5/32" wall thickness.

 

[Dave Fritz]

Just to clarify a crypt is an underground room or vault in a church or some other building. A vault is typically a concrete box in which the urn is placed to be buried. The cemetery I am the sextant at has no rules about the burial of cremains exept they must be in a container and the space must have a marker, no vault required. Most funeral homes know the regulations of the local cemetery but today many of the burials we have are from outside our community so it's important that people are aware of the specific cemetery's regulations.

 

[robo hippy]

The pot metal tools wore out really quickly. Never understood why they didn't make them out of steel. Probably too expensive. Now days, they saw cut most joints.

I would think that there must be some metals more readily available for threading of this sort, that would work well, and look much better than the plastic...

robo hippy

 

[Rick Crawford]

If you go the pewter route, be aware that old pewter contains lead. The new pewter, called Britannia metal, does not.

 

[Adam Wittnam]

I have been searching online for a source of brass threaded inserts to convert them into urn threads. Sadly, my friend Rick Brantley passed away. I do not think his son will be picking up the business. My favorite size is 3.5 in. I do not even know what I'm looking for. Brass threaded plumbing couplers? Rick told me it wasn't that hard to do it. He did it on his lathe, with turning tools. Found some on a plumbing site, but a 4 in threaded brass something, I think for a bathtub is $97. I'm planning on wandering through the aisles of Lowe's and Home Depot. Any insight will be greatly appreciated.

Sorry to revive an old thread but I find myself in a situation which requires I turn an urn. Ruth Niles carries three sizes of "Threaded Bronze Urn Inserts." I'll copy the dimensions below. The site is: nilesbottlestoppers.com.

The inside measurement for the 1.5″ ring is 1″ with an overall height of 1/2″
The inside measurement for the 2.5″ ring is 2″ with an overall height of 1/2″
The inside measurement for the 3.5″ ring is 3″ with an overall height of 5/8″

 

[Rusty Nesmith]

You can buy bronze at Niles Bottle Stoppers. Carl Jacobson is owner or part owner. The 3.5” set is $36. They look very nice in the pictures.