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Dishwashing liquid to stabilize wood?

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A friend asked me about using dishwashing liquid with water to stabilize green wood. I have no experience with this technique and I don't know anyone who may have used it.

Does anyone have some experience using dishwashing liquid and water to stabilize green wood? I would like to provide some information to this friend.
 
Look at ronkent.com and read. Also it has been discussed herein—can search old threads. Used mainly on NIP. 50:50 water and dishwashing detergent was the formula.
 
The LDD soak was first done by the late great Ron Kent. He started using it for helping with sanding out Norfolk Island Pine bowls, and I think he used other woods, but Emeliano can chime in here. What the LDD does is make things WAY easier to sand out, especially with woods that have a lot of sap/resin in them. As near as I can tell with my playing with it, it does absolutely nothing for stabilizing the wood. My guess is that the lanolin in the dish soaps acts as a lubricant when sanding to keep the abrasives clean and clog free. I did turn two identical sized bowls from Pacific Madrone, and one I soaked in DNA (denatured alcohol), and the other in the LDD. They both dried at exactly the same rate, and both warped wildly, which I love. There was a time when many were doing the DNA soaks to help stabilize the woods. I am not sure how much of that is still being done as I don't hear much about it any more. I have gone back to using it on my once turned bowls since it makes sanding so much easier, and my abrasives seem to last longer. You need a big tub, and several gallons of the LDD. Get the tan Costco brand, Kirkland maybe, and pour into a big tub. Let the bowl blanks soak for 24 hours, then rinse off and dry the blanks. I wrap my rims in stretch film, except for maple which will mold under the plastic. Madrone and myrtle are fine. Bowls turned down to 1/4 inch or so are dry in a week. Ron was also soaking the bowls in Danish oil for a long time, to the extent that the bowls weighed a lot more than the dry wood, and this was after the oil was cured out. It is messy, but I have a dedicated sink and tub for it.

robo hippy
 
The LDD soak was first done by the late great Ron Kent. He started using it for helping with sanding out Norfolk Island Pine bowls, and I think he used other woods, but Emeliano can chime in here. What the LDD does is make things WAY easier to sand out, especially with woods that have a lot of sap/resin in them. As near as I can tell with my playing with it, it does absolutely nothing for stabilizing the wood. My guess is that the lanolin in the dish soaps acts as a lubricant when sanding to keep the abrasives clean and clog free. I did turn two identical sized bowls from Pacific Madrone, and one I soaked in DNA (denatured alcohol), and the other in the LDD. They both dried at exactly the same rate, and both warped wildly, which I love. There was a time when many were doing the DNA soaks to help stabilize the woods. I am not sure how much of that is still being done as I don't hear much about it any more. I have gone back to using it on my once turned bowls since it makes sanding so much easier, and my abrasives seem to last longer. You need a big tub, and several gallons of the LDD. Get the tan Costco brand, Kirkland maybe, and pour into a big tub. Let the bowl blanks soak for 24 hours, then rinse off and dry the blanks. I wrap my rims in stretch film, except for maple which will mold under the plastic. Madrone and myrtle are fine. Bowls turned down to 1/4 inch or so are dry in a week. Ron was also soaking the bowls in Danish oil for a long time, to the extent that the bowls weighed a lot more than the dry wood, and this was after the oil was cured out. It is messy, but I have a dedicated sink and tub for it.

robo hippy
Thank you Reed for the comprehensive answer. I used to dry green roughed out blanks with denatured alcohol. Had no experience with the LDD method at all. Appreciate the answer.
 
I forgot to add that the soap will pull color out of the wood, so I had a separate tub for black walnut which I do not turn any more due to it making me itch and sneeze. The Madrone leaves a nice red/purple color to the soap which looks good on myrtle or big leaf maple. Walnut tone on big leaf maple does not look good at all, but it can high light ash nicely....

robo hippy
 
I read many years ago that soaking difficult to turn timber in a mixture of 50/50 washing up liquid and water improved things.
Someone gave me some 300 year old Oak offcuts from a house renovation to turn. As supplied the wood was very dry and difficult to turn.
I soaked it in the mixture for over a month and then let it drip dry for a week. It made turning very much easier.
 
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