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Is this white oak ???

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Last year we cleared a bunch of standing deadwood along the cottage road to keep them from coming down on their own and blocking the road. One was fairly large so I took a section to try making a bowl. I just got around to doing something with it and I'm wondering what type of wood it might be. I've checked a few online resources and my best guess is a type of white oak but I'm really not sure. The rest is still in the bush at the side of the road and I'm wondering about going back for more. I'm in Eastern Ontario between Ottawa and Kingston.
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If you can get any leaves, that is the best way to tell. The white oaks have rounded lobes, and the black/red oaks have pointed lobes. If you split off a billet and stick it in a bucket of water, you can blow bubbles out the other end. I will never forget seeing Roy Underhill doing that....

robo hippy
 
It -looks- like a white oak, but looks can be deceiving. As already mentioned, take a piece of it and blow through the end of it. Red oak will allow bubbles through; white oak will not. I remember the Roy Underhill program too! What an amazing guy. Regardless of the type of oak, it's a good looking piece of wood. Turn away!
 
Alternatively you can soak the end grain in water and see how far the water is drawn up the fibers. White oak will barely pull any, which is why it is favored for boat building.
 
Red oak smells like you stepped in something.
White oak smells like you'd like to fall/lay into something.
 
White oak?


Leaves are great but if not available there's another way. Prepare a small sample showing end grain, maybe 1/2" square or so including at least 2-3 rings, long enough so it's easy to hold in the fingers or vise. Use a new single-edge razor blade to shave a section smooth - far better than sanding. (If the wood is hard to shave, it's OK to soak it in water first to soften a bit.) Stay away from the pith/juvenile wood and knots.

Look at the rings in the shaved area, note the pore distribution. The large pores are the "earlywood" near the yearly boundary, the small pores in the "late wood". Section 7 in this article has some details on examining the wood.


This shows red and white oak endgrain side-by-side. Don't pay much attention to the color - it can vary widely.
The width of the rings in the radial direction varies somewhat on the growing conditions that year. If interested, you can count the rays from the pith to the bark to see how old that tree was. (One limb from an oak tree here was about 100 years old.)
The vertical lines are the rays that run radially. Oak rays are large compared to some other species.
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Note two things:
The tiny latewood pores in oak are arranged in what I like to think of as inverted tornadoes.
The large earlywood pores in red oak are hollow, empty, like soda straws. The earlywood pores in white oak are clogged with what are called tyloses. Under magnification these look a bit like tiny crystals. These clogged pores are one reason white oak is used for whisky barrels and outdoor furniture.

JKJ
 
Yes the WooddB article is what pointed me towards white oak. But it was the pores that I was unsure of. They looked like they were filled with tylose but I had no comparison and not really knowing what I was looking at I wasn't sure. But I found some red oak boards at HD this morning and the difference was noticeable. Thanks to all who replied.
 
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