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40/40 vs Swept-back Grind

I am fairly sure it is in the tips and techniques department here, but Dennis Gooding found a way to do it with the varigrind jig.

robo hippy
 
Emiliano Achaval said:
Straight from the man himself.
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Thanks. All these different grinds being discussed are interesting, but very difficult to follow without pics and instructions telling how the different angles are measured. I think I understand it enough now to go try this on an older Sorby bowl gouge.

Btw, If the nose is at 40 degrees then how much difference would it make having a longer swept back wing vice shorter one? In other words, would going with a sharper nose angle improve an Ellsworth gouge without doing away with the longer swept back wing?
 
SB says they 40 deg wing angle is just as important as the bevel angle to how the gouge cuts. He discusses different grinds and how they cut in this video.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdWw7w_lu91QbqyhRXJJ3_N2A-yLymE0W

A 40 deg true Ellsworth grind gets very thin at the wings - not sure you can actually do it. The Michelsen grind, where the angle stays the same, can be done. I have used it, but not in a while. Not sure how it would compare to a 40/40 for a push cut.
 
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Karl Loeblein said:
would going with a sharper nose angle improve an Ellsworth gouge without doing away with the longer swept back wing
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that would ruin the curve on the leading edge of the wing.

The strength of the Ellsworth grind is the curve at the leading edge. When doing a push cut with the gouge is rolled up about 45 degrees the leading edge of the wing has a shear angle to make a slicing cut.
This is sweet spot and yields a very smooth surface.

Other cuts make use of the curve too.
Flute up shear cut
Back cut I learned hjimmy Clewes for square edge
 
The best web link for Stuart is

http://www.dmwoodturners.com/?page_id=642

Further there are a number additional videos on YouTube of Stuart turning and sharpening which have been added in the last 3 months

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOHgxQPFNBs&ab_channel=RSUPublicTV


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROfafTjf2kU&t=3s&ab_channel=DeniseSawyer


and a sharpening video
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhlMQr7Hk0k&t=18s&ab_channel=DeniseSawyer


Additionally Cindy Drozda has several sharpening videos which may be helpful

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cindy+drozda+
 
@robo hippy, Although the date indicates Tim's video was uploaded in January 2021, a quick search suggests that episode originally aired in 2009 -- I think the Stubby pre-dates Tim's Robust lathe.
 
Timothy Allen said:
@robo hippy, Although the date indicates Tim's video was uploaded in January 2021, a quick search suggests that episode originally aired in 2009 -- I think the Stubby pre-dates Tim's Robust lathe.
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Good catch. I think that you are correct. It is always a pure pleasure to see Stu operate with a gouge in his hand. I sincerely look forward to the day that he is able to travel around a bit and conduct workshops again.
 
I did contact Tim, and he told me the story... I am very curious about the Stubby lathe, but haven't had a chance to turn on one. Love Tim's sense of humor....

robo hippy
 
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