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A Mahoney’s walnut oil question

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I usually use many coats of polymerized tung oil as a finish but I see that a lot use Mahoney’s walnut oil. Is it one coat only or many? Sand between? Anybody use tung oil and then switch to Mahoney’s on the same piece? Tell me more. I just bought a bottle . . .
 
I consider Mahoney's walnut oil as more of a utility finish for bowls, cutting boards, things like that. It's really a nice product for a salad bowl. You can use as many coats as you want but it doesn't really build a hard finish. It's easy to re-apply over time when a salad bowl or cutting board need a refresh. I know there are others that use it differently and hopefully they'll reply.
 
I use it as Curt says above. If I want a bit more shine, but still for a utility bowl, he also has a mix of walnut oil, beeswax and carnauba called Mahoney’s Oil Wax Finish. In my experience, customers and gift recipients are drawn to a slight gloss, even on utility bowls. Though unless refreshed, it will certainly fade.
 
Generally use a single coat, but ultimately the wood tells me if a second coat is needed. As pointed out above, very easy to recoat and I also prefer this for bowls which will be used for food as the walnut oil is not a film finish.
 
Not walnut oil, but if you haven't already, check out the Tried and True finishes. Particularly the Original and Danish Oil. I use these on 80% of what I do. The other 20% I use shellac, Myland's, etc. T&T uses only polymerized linseed oil in those products. No varnishes, and no dryers. I have walnut oil, I just don't use it often.
 
Mike says: "Apply one heavy coat and let sit for an hour and then wipe away any excess. Your item is now ready to go. If the item begins to look dry over time reapply another coat."

That works for me (except I don't often wait an hour - depends on how the wood is taking the oil). I often buff the outside of a bowl (after the oil has cured for several days) for a smoother feel.
 
Not walnut oil, but if you haven't already, check out the Tried and True finishes. Particularly the Original and Danish Oil. I use these on 80% of what I do. The other 20% I use shellac, Myland's, etc. T&T uses only polymerized linseed oil in those products. No varnishes, and no dryers. I have walnut oil, I just don't use it often.
Yep, Tried & True for me, too. I also use their Varnish Oil (they add some pine resin to serve as the surface film, if I recall) if I want something with a bit of surface sheen- no "poly" build from this product. I'll sometimes use it as a top coat over the TT Danish as well, since the Danish does not contain the wax of the Original.

I've never used Mahoney's, but if you need one-and-done for utility pieces, it should be just fine.
 
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I use the Doctor's Woodshop oil, in part because he is from Oregon. I slop it on first coat, let sit over night, apply another coat, kind of slop it on, then wipe it off. I did pretty much the same thing with Mike Mahoney's oil. For end grain cutting boards, more so than flat grain cutting boards, final coat goes on with a heat gun for better and deeper penetration. I don't buff my bowls out at all since that shine is gone the first time the bowl or plate is used.

robo hippy
 
I just watched a YouTube video about OB Shine Juice from Q Branch Woodworks. The guest, Chris Sisson, mentioned he used "roasted walnut oil" from the grocery store. He said it is a lot cheaper and works just as well. I'm giving it a try next time I go grocery shopping. Additionally, my wife is excited that I might go grocery shopping.
 
I do the same as @robo hippy, get some mahoney’s on, let sit overnight, put some more on if needed, let sit another day. I check the piece every few hours if I can and smear the oil around. It’s thick and takes time to absorb. After the oil has soaked in for 2-3 days, I put the piece outside if its summer or in my “hotbox” if cool/cold and give it 2-3 days to cure, smearing around any bleed out.

I found that if I didnt give the oil time to soak in, the piece would start looking dry within a few weeks.
 
I use walnut oil on 90% of the things I make. Basically anything that might hold food. On bowls that have been cured for long periods I occasionally wet sand 600 grit with another coat of oil to freshen them up for sales. I also use Mahoneys oil and wax on a lot of bowls but I'm still on the fence on whether it's worth it.
A big consideration if, like me someone might sell salad bowls at craft and street fair prices, walnut oil finish is mainly one and done. Easy to use in a dusty shop.
 
I usually use many coats of polymerized tung oil as a finish but I see that a lot use Mahoney’s walnut oil. Is it one coat only or many? Sand between? Anybody use tung oil and then switch to Mahoney’s on the same piece? Tell me more. I just bought a bottle . . .
I use walnut oil for objects that will be exposed to water, e.g., salad bowls, cutting boards, etc. The finish will deteriorate with time but is easily renewed by wiping on more oil on the dry surface and allowed to cure. This oil will not cure in any reasonable time unless exposed to light.
I ran an experiment a few years ago with several brands of walnut oil to verify this. This experiment used three brands of supermarket oil plus the Mahoney's oil. The experiment consisted of parts. In the first part, strips of paper towel with each of the oils and hung in a dark closet. Paper strips were used because curing will be evident by the strip becoming crisp. Even after a few weeks, the oil was not cured. I repeated the experiment, but hanging the strips in a sunny location. In this case all strips were crisp in a couple of days.
 
I ran an experiment a few years ago with several brands of walnut oil to verify this. This experiment used three brands of supermarket oil plus the Mahoney's oil. The experiment consisted of parts. In the first part, strips of paper towel with each of the oils and hung in a dark closet. Paper strips were used because curing will be evident by the strip becoming crisp. Even after a few weeks, the oil was not cured. I repeated the experiment, but hanging the strips in a sunny location. In this case all strips were crisp in a couple of days.
Did you happen to account for temperature, though? Temp in a dark closet might stay at 70 degrees for 36 hours, but temp in a sunlit room might swing from 70 to 90 back and forth? My experience with curing oils is that temperature is a bigger factor than sunlight.... Just my opinion though...
 
I find if I apply repeated heavy coats of walnut oil or tung oil, the oil seeps back out over the following days or weeks. One good coat, applying more until it stops soaking in, let sit 5 minutes, wipe off the excess, wipe off more in a half hour or so, and done. Unless you want to build up to a polishable/glossy surface, two thin coats of tung oil applied and 5 minutes later wiped off, a half day apart, seem to give a good result. If you do choose to apply more, the drying/curing time goes up, a lot-from days to weeks.
 
Did you happen to account for temperature, though? Temp in a dark closet might stay at 70 degrees for 36 hours, but temp in a sunlit room might swing from 70 to 90 back and forth? My experience with curing oils is that temperature is a bigger factor than sunlight.... Just my opinion though...

Did you happen to account for temperature, though? Temp in a dark closet might stay at 70 degrees for 36 hours, but temp in a sunlit room might swing from 70 to 90 back and forth? My experience with curing oils is that temperature is a bigger factor than sunlight.... Just my opinion though...
I doubt that modest differences in temperature will have much effect on curing time. You can easily check this by placing two saturated strips side by side in sunshine and covering one of them with an opaque sheet of some kind.
 
I doubt that modest differences in temperature will have much effect on curing time. You can easily check this by placing two saturated strips side by side in sunshine and covering one of them with an opaque sheet of some kind.
Or, I might do an experiment myself with a set of full spectrum grow lights - which may give equivalent of sunshine while maintaining same temperatures side by side... and do a similar experiment where I can fabricate a small kiln of sorts (Some leftover insulating panels) with one having a heat lamp and the other not... I'll have to add that to my project list, as I am curious about ways to improve curing time on the tried & true products that I use... I find that leaving the items out in direct exposure line to my shop furnace's heated air output does seem to help it cure faster. It'd be interesting to see if it is the extra heat (from being in sunshine and absorbing heat rays) or the UV sunlight that does the curing..
 
I have used both. I like at least a little lustre so with Mahoney's I apply maybe 4 coats.

My 100% Tung Oil is thinned with Terpentine. I apply maybe 7 to 9 coats. I have found it to work better on open grain wood such as oak.
 
Like RoboHippy-I sometimes use Doctor's Woodshop (though I'm sure I will try the Mahoney's at some point). I really like their Walnut Oil and Wax. Does anyone else use it like a friction polish? I will sometimes slop on 2-3coats, then burn each coat in at a few hundred rpms. Seems to leave a nice sheen, but yeah, it's still not cured. I rely on dry, sunny/breezy days on my sunny deck rail for that, though I might have to try some of these "hot-box" ideas.

Depending on the wood and my mood, I also use T and T Danish Oil, and TruOil gunstock finish if it is more of a glossy show piece, say for a nicely-figured candy dish or large centerpiece.
 
I use the Doctor's Woodshop oil, in part because he is from Oregon. I slop it on first coat, let sit over night, apply another coat, kind of slop it on, then wipe it off. I did pretty much the same thing with Mike Mahoney's oil. For end grain cutting boards, more so than flat grain cutting boards, final coat goes on with a heat gun for better and deeper penetration. I don't buff my bowls out at all since that shine is gone the first time the bowl or plate is used.

robo hippy
I'm a fan of Doctor's Woodshop walnut oil. Its very clear, very nearly colorless stuff. I used Mahoney's in my first year, but once I found the Dr's Woodshop stuff, I noticed how much the browner-colored Mahoney's was coloring my wood. Dr's Woodshop stuff is not entirely neutral or clear, but it hardly adds any color at all. As with any wood, there is that normal "darkening" (which, IMO, is a misnomer...its more a change in how the wood disperses light than a darkening IMHO), but there is very little change in color. So, a hard mapler or holly or other very light colored wood, will generally maintain its color. In contrast, linseed, tung, and mohoneys' always introduced some notable color shifts. Linseed is the worst, and the color can change over time. Tung isn't too bad, and I actually prefer its slightly warmer tone to the yellow of linseed. Mahoney's is the least of the three, but still notably more than Dr's Woodshop.

@Alan Weinberg

Something I did learn about walnut oil. If its purified, it has no proteins, and will NEVER go rancid. Ever. It also oxidizes at a much slower rate, so it doesn't go bad in the bottle nearly as fast, but, it also takes a lot longer to polymerize in the wood too. Its not a so-called "drying" oil, so it won't cure as hard as Danish or other drying oils with metallic or other drying agents, so it doesn't really protect the wood. It makes it look nice, but its not exactly protectant. It does seem to wear out over time, dull over time, so pieces need re-finishing over time as well. Further, I have never read anything or seen anything about walnut oil ever spontaneously catching fire. It oxidizes more slowly, and while I won't say that its impossible, the risk is significantly lower than with say linseed oil or even more so the drying oils or anything with accelerated oxidation time. So there are some benefits to walnut oil, but overall its not the highest quality finish IMO.

If you want something durable, urethanes or varnishes will usually be better. Hardwax oils might be better. Drying oils will polymerize more over any given timeframe and provide a bit more durable a finish.

You mentioned Tung oil as the initial coat(s). One thing that is distinctly different between walnut oil and tung, is that tung can actually produce very water resistant finishes. It's been used for thousands of years in traditional crafts that need water proofing. If whatever you are finishing needs that, then switching to walnut oil won't produce the same result. I did not know this myself until earlier this year. I don't make many items for actual utensil use (such as bowls or platters) because I didn't think there were many truly "food safe" (i.e. free of VoCs, heavy metal driers, etc.) finishes that were durable. But I had a chat with someone on a pen turning forum earlier this year, and he gave me the lowdown on tung, and its great stuff for durable and water resilient finishes for utensil items. For that, I'd stick with pure tung oil, and not mix with walnut oil as the latter just isn't as resilient.
 
I use the Doctor's Woodshop oil, in part because he is from Oregon. I slop it on first coat, let sit over night, apply another coat, kind of slop it on, then wipe it off. I did pretty much the same thing with Mike Mahoney's oil. For end grain cutting boards, more so than flat grain cutting boards, final coat goes on with a heat gun for better and deeper penetration. I don't buff my bowls out at all since that shine is gone the first time the bowl or plate is used.

robo hippy
Reed, have you noticed a difference between The Doctor's Woodshop Walnut Oil and Wax finish vs just the Walnut Oil? I've had trouble with bowls finished with just walnut oil (fully cured) in terms of salad dressing staining the interior. I've used both The Doctor's and Mahoney's walnut oil and assume both are very similar. The Doctor's Oil and Wax finish is different however and I wonder if it prevents oil from salad dressing staining the bowl. Do you have any insight here? Hopefully my question makes sense.
 
I'm not Reed, but he'll chime in.

@Rip Littig, I've not used either product, but if we consider the two main ingredients, oil, and wax... The staining you get, or don't get, between the two finishes is likely a function of the wax, which really is a surface material rather than a penetrating material, and it is, to some extent, plugging up the surface where staining agents (veg. oil and veg colors like tomato) could otherwise penetrate. Even if blended into the oil finish, the wax component is not able to penetrate wood like oil can (bigger molecules, or some percentage of wax that cannot/was not dissolved into the oil, or?). You may find over time that the oil-wax product finished bowl will eventually stain to a greater degree due to the surface wax being depleted from the pores/open grain areas of the wood (from food contact and washing), allowing the staining agents to penetrate and do their thing.

To counter this, you may want to stay with the product that contains wax, and apply a quick coat of it periodically depending on use. (A couple times per year to several times per year.)

One other option rather than repeated coats of oil-wax finish (the polymerized oil is not leaching out of the wood, just wax loss from the surface) would be just periodic polishing of the bowl with pure beeswax, or even paraffin/canning wax. Parrafin is a bit softer, and to me slicker, than beeswax. Have you watched a Richard Raffan video? Apply oil with one rag, then immediately hold a block of beeswax on the surface to melt it, and with a clean rag buff away the wax and oil, removing all the excess (about 99% of the wax that was applied, in reality). How about just making a waxy rag? Turn a round shape but *apply no oils or finishes*. While spinning, hold a block of wax against it to melt it on, then using a fresh, clean cloth rag, buff off the wax. And repeat, and repeat, and repeat. Keep turning over that rag to buff off the wax. In just a couple minutes you'll have a wax-infused cloth that you can use to periodically buff your bowls. Rub the bowl with your waxy rag to apply a light wax film, then with a separate rag or paper towel, buff the excess wax film off the bowl. Voilà! Store your wax rag in a ziplock bag in the kitchen. Show the other family members how much fun it is to buff the family salad bowls! Recharge the rag with wax when needed.
 
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It has been a long time since I used the Mahoney's oil, so memory is likely very fuzzy.... I think it is pressed from the leaves, and maybe the husks, but not sure. I am pretty sure the the Doctor's is pressed from the nut meats. No clue as to how the whole thing. The Doctor's is "micro atregated" and he did explain it once, but with his waxes, you do not need heat or solvent to get the carnauba wax to spread/flow. Both will speed up curing when exposed to UV light and heat. I did try all sorts of things to get the rags to combust. It finally happened. I left some to dry on a black plastic bag which was on the south side of the shop and it was mid summer. The sunlight and black plastic were just enough to get some smoke going. No heat at all issues when piling them up in the shop on the concrete or out in the sun on the gravel.

robo hippy
 
I asked Mahoney what his oil was made of once. He said its the nuts, shells husks etc.
 
Thank you for the suggestions and additional info. Since I noticed the staining I've switched to using Osmo Top Oil Clear Satin which seals utility bowls and platters well. That said, I'd like to experiment using walnut oil with wax to figure out what prevents the staining issue for me.
 
I use the Doctor's Woodshop oil, in part because he is from Oregon. I slop it on first coat, let sit over night, apply another coat, kind of slop it on, then wipe it off. I did pretty much the same thing with Mike Mahoney's oil. For end grain cutting boards, more so than flat grain cutting boards, final coat goes on with a heat gun for better and deeper penetration. I don't buff my bowls out at all since that shine is gone the first time the bowl or plate is used.

robo hippy
Agree...I used the walnut oil and carnuba was combination as my 'go to' finishing product and use it much the same way as you describe. I'll also use the Doctor's carnuba wax by itself if I'm looking for that extra bit of gloss to the piece.
 
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