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Confessions of a Woodturner

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I rarely wear my face shield. I plan on fixing that at the AAW symposium where I'll be looking at PAPR systems. Here in Tennessee, in my garage shop, my face shield fogs up immediately.

Do you have anything you'd like to confess?

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Did someone forget to tell you, you're not supposed to smoke those stogies while wearing your face shield. Ha ha
I rarely wear my face shield. I plan on fixing that at the AAW symposium where I'll be looking at PAPR systems. Here in Tennessee, in my garage shop, my face shield fogs up immediately.

Do you have anything you'd like to confess?

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I rarely wear my face shield. I plan on fixing that at the AAW symposium where I'll be looking at PAPR systems. Here in Tennessee, in my garage shop, my face shield fogs up immediately.

Do you have anything you'd like to confess?

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I live a little over 10 miles from Lake Michigan, relative humidity is typically over 50% except in winter. For turning, my Bionic face shield rarely clouds up. For sanding/finishing, the PAPR system really keeps enough air flow to not fog up. Sometimes--in really hot weather--i'll put on the 3M PAPR to turn, just to keep cool. The air movement is a blessing.
 
There are anti-fog lens cleaners that might help with fogging up your face shield.

I agree that everyone should have some sort of lung protection. I have one of the original Airstream helmets that I hate, and haven't worn in years. This and all the other powered respirators are such a PITA....heavy, bulky, expensive and complicated. I also have a couple of rubber mask respirators. They all work well......but, I don't use those either.....just too inconvenient and uncomfortable.

For about the past 20 years, I've been using a Resp-o-rator. It's a shame that the Resp-o-rator is no longer being produced, because it's lightweight, very convenient, inexpensive, and no batteries or motors to mess around with. It fits comfortably under a face shield, and filters the air just as well as the powered respirators. The Resp-o-rator was designed and produced by Jim Duxbury, a fellow woodturner.
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When the Resp-o-rator went out of business, I bought a second one and enough spare parts, filters and mouthpieces to insure that I will be using one for the rest of my life.

=o=

Note: If anyone wants a business opportunity, the rights to produce it and the remaining inventory could be negotiated. Personally, I really hope someone will, because it's such a great alternative to the powered respirators.
 
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I’ll confess that I like my 3M Versaflo PAPR with HEPA filter so much that I sometimes wear it when I’m not Woodturning (cedar elm and other pollen). You’ll be able to enjoy the purity of your stogie without any competing pollutants.
 
I don't use a face shield, but I do stand out of the line of fire, even on spindles. I do turn green wood 90% of the time. With the sanding hood I made, I get zero dust on my glasses when I am sanding out my bowls. There is some dust when I scoop up the shavings though. I never use the tailstock unless I am turning spindles.

I don't smoke, quit pot 33 years ago, and quit alcohol 36 years ago. I do love cookies though! I never bake them because at least half never make it to the oven, and those that come out of the oven, maybe half again don't make it to room temperature.... I was Cookie Monster long before Sesame Street ever began....

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How long have you been smoking cigars? Pulling smoke, tar, and nicotine deeply into your lungs is way worse than sawdust. My doctors always ask if I am a smoker, they never ask if I am a woodturner.

Not long. 20 years or so. LOL

You don't inhale cigars, for the record.

Col. Potter: Do you want a cigar, Radar?
Radar: Is it habit forming?
Col. Potter: I've been smoking 4 a day for 40 years and I ain't got the habit yet.
 
Here in Tennessee, in my garage shop, my face shield fogs up immediately.

A PAPR with good airflow will take care of that right off the batt. That is one of the reasons I like a full head PAPR setup. I often even get fogging in my glasses when air escapes around my nose from the half-face mask. Happens when I exhale a bit more than normal.

A good PAPR will blow air from the bottom rim of the face mask, up over the mask, it goes out the back behind the head. This not only prevents fogging, but you get nice clean, rich, oxygenated air at all times (which is quite different than a half-face mask, where you end up with some excess CO2 from your exhaust, as well as have to suck in air with goes through the filters, and overall its less than optimal oxygen levels.)

I picked up a Sundstrom SR500/580 system myself. It was pretty expensive, though, around $1300 or so when I bought it (not sure if it is still the same price, I bought mine at a bad time in 2020). I think they may be cheaper these days. Its different from the more popular...I think its Trend Airshield, where the whole system is enclosed in the helmet. The Sundstrom has two key parts, the headpiece and a belt. The belt is where the power is, where two round cartridge filters go, and it connects to the headpiece via a hose. The head shield then clamps around your head like a lot of simple face shields. The hose connects at the top back of the headpiece, and the air flows down the rim of the face shield, and is blown right up the face shield. Instantly takes care of fogging, and I personally just love having the clean, fresh air from the airflow all the time.

Oh, the sundstrom face shield is kind of two layered. It has a thin layer on the front, so that if something goes flying off and just scrapes the shield, you can just replace this thin film and not the whole face shield panel. If something hits hard enough to break the panel, the you can replace that too. The air filters are dual, both used at the same time. You can use just particulate filters (purple) or get one of two different kinds of organic vapor filters (yellow). I've had some trouble sourcing the particular org vapor filter I want...it lists formaldehyde as a vapor that it will filter out. This matters to me as formaldehyde is one of the chemicals produced by CA off gassing. If I do anything with CA, I usually switch to my 3M half face mask with the mustard+pink filters, as they DO filter out CA fumes. Otherwise, the Sundstrom is quite nice.

One downside I've run into with the sundstrom, is it seems to clamp down onto your head in such a way...well, it seems to require being clamped fairly tight? This seems to cause me headaches some of the time. Which is really a bummer, as they can get fairly bad. This may just be something with me, too, I don't care for pressures on my scalp or head, and I've never even worn baseball caps really. So it may not be an issue for other people, but its definitely been an issue for me. I will often just use my 3M half face mask when turning smaller things as a result.

Disclaimer: I'm no agent for Sundstrom or anything like that. I have just been using mine for a few years now and its been really nice to turn with, especially bigger items that produce a lot of dust and chips.
 
Not long. 20 years or so. LOL

You don't inhale cigars, for the record.

Col. Potter: Do you want a cigar, Radar?
Radar: Is it habit forming?
Col. Potter: I've been smoking 4 a day for 40 years and I ain't got the habit yet.
You might want to check the research on that. But I really don't care what you do, just saying it might be a little odd to pick and choose what makes you feel safe. I ride bicycles a lot. Chance of death goes way up because of distracted driving now.

Is cigar smoking safer than cigarette smoking?​


No, cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking.

Cigar smoke contains more tar than does cigarette smoke. And smoking cigars might put you in contact with higher levels of other toxic substances, such as carbon monoxide, than smoking cigarettes does.

For people who smoke cigars and inhale, risks linked with cigar smoking are like those of cigarette smoking. For those who don't inhale, the cigar smoke raises the risk of disease in the head and neck.

 
There are some good systems. I ended up putting together mine from Ebay. I bought the Breathe Easy with the vest and added a 3M Versaflo shield. I have since done away with the vest and I put the turbo unit in a separate room just behind me. So I man tethered, but not a problem and I wear it all the time. The heap filter turbo unite doesn’t see much If any dust. Not all that bad being weathered as I have about 15 feet of hose for decent movement. Definitely much better than blowing wood int a Kleenex.
 
I do love cookies though! I never bake them because at least half never make it to the oven, and those that come out of the oven, maybe half again don't make it to room temperature.... I was Cookie Monster long before Sesame Street ever began....
🤣

Aint that the truth! Last batch never makes it into the fire!!
 
I keep a stash of hard candies in the tailstock storage compartment on my PM. Keeps them dust free. Isn’t that what it’s there for?
Maybe that's what it's for. The main use I have found for that compartment is that opening it can allow space for my hand when I need to work with the gouge parallel to the lathe axis when the cut is close to the axis.
 
Maybe that's what it's for. The main use I have found for that compartment is that opening it can allow space for my hand when I need to work with the gouge parallel to the lathe axis when the cut is close to the axis.
IDK about the 3520c, but on the B there are 2 screws and you can just remove the dumb door altogether. That way the area in the tailstock is accessible and useful. (IMHO)
 
You might want to check the research on that. But I really don't care what you do, just saying it might be a little odd to pick and choose what makes you feel safe. I ride bicycles a lot. Chance of death goes way up because of distracted driving now.

Is cigar smoking safer than cigarette smoking?​


No, cigar smoking is not safer than cigarette smoking.

Cigar smoke contains more tar than does cigarette smoke. And smoking cigars might put you in contact with higher levels of other toxic substances, such as carbon monoxide, than smoking cigarettes does.

For people who smoke cigars and inhale, risks linked with cigar smoking are like those of cigarette smoking. For those who don't inhale, the cigar smoke raises the risk of disease in the head and neck.

Nobody is debating the “safety” of cigar smoking. I think the point is that the cigar smoke isn’t being inhaled into the lungs, which is what you called out when you decided to start lecturing Kent about the evils of smoking 🤣🚭
 
Okay, I will confess a recent incident that made me now wear my PPE religiously. I had turned a large Ash "Viking Bowl" for the Viking Vendor Market in which I did a tv spot the Monday before the show. Anyway, it had a large beaded rim that I thought would be okay in the Longworth chucked in reverse. I was literally done with it, sanding and bottom details included with just some superlight passes with the tailstock out of the way.. When it happened.

I took off my shield to see better, reached for the rpm knob to turn it off when my finger brushed across the knob. Before I could react almost, I remember glimpsing 1300 on the screen and this very solid bowl was almost immediately airborne, smacked the lathe bed and busted me square in the upper lip. I was not in the line of fire, but it caught a forward bounce before coming straight at my naked face! Once I got over the initial stunning and shut down the lathe, other than a seriously busted lip, just shredded on the inside, a slightly loose/bleeding front tooth and a bit of swelling/bruising afterward, I got off way easy with no facial reconstruction surgery (or worse!). I was just hyped up on self-loathing for hours at the just damn stupid mistake. Thankfully Tim Tucker talked me down in one of our regular debriefs and gave me some good advice re best chucking methods for different rim shapes. Plus I think I had it in spindle gear instead of switching back to bowl gear like I've also done countless times before. It was quite a blow to my turning confidence for awhile, but hey, get back on the horse, right? Anyway, I found the badly dinged bowl (but finished otherwise), filled the hole with ash flour from the sanding and thin ca, I was determined to by God have that bowl at that show. Just a quick sand to flush on the belt, and the rest of the grits up to 800 grit with my now-beloved flexible sanding pads (love em for wet sanding TandT Varnish Oil!) over several coats of thinned Tried and True Danish Oil to give it that satin glow-I learned this technique from Matt Monaco (whose August platter class I will be in at JCCFS). I think it came out pretty good, and somehow my swelling and very faint bruising went down enough that I was able to do the Monday morning tv spot with some quickly-applied concealer in the green room lol. I'll attach the link if anyone wants to watch it. You can see my Barney Rubble lip and the kinda gnarly "fix" in the bowl befitting its rough Viking style-I made sure to feature that Viking bowl before my big Viking Market (my best since Christmas). I was told I didn't embarrass our vocation too badly:

I also did a decent (for me) Insagram post of it if you're interested in a big, burly Viking bowl: Viking Bowl. Lovingly hand-finishing that gnarly, busted ash bowl helped bring me back on the road to (partial) confidence. Good times and bad times. "The art makes the artist" as much as the other way around. Every big project teaches me something important. Last week I was turning a 13-inch green walnut bowl ready to sand and seal when it sheared clean off the tenon. I had made the tenon shelf a slight outie insead of an innie. It kept getting squirrely even as I re-trued it and cranked it down HARD for about 7 times when it suddenly let go and bounced, thoughtfully, backwards and damn near took out the window! Thankfully, Tim talked me down-I always debrief with him almost immediately after an incident. The advice he gave me on the physics of the hold and that crucial contact on the inner jaw and outer face of the jaw to the slightly recessed shelf, even/especially on green wood. Thankfully it bounced the other way, but I was wearing my beloved PowerCap-it came literally just in time. I saved it by reverse chucking and retruing, then making a better tenon (and much smaller shoulder) on my oversive base cuts I favor. They give you design options once dry, and can function as a backup tenon if needed. Refinished and shear-scraped with no problem on the correctly constructed tenon. Live and learn, eh?

In the learning that must take place after any incident, I am trying to become more "checklist oriented and systematic in my decisions in the shop. Watching Kirk DeHeer's meticulous teaching videos, I am trying to get more like him in my turning (good luck!-I will be in his July calabash class at our TLC). With that said, I still regularly forget to lock down my banjo and then it's wandering. I almost ran into a 100mm chuck with the tool-rest today at about 1200rpm on a 13x6 maple live edge that was a tree the day before-not good! Yeah, outside the 9k range a bit, but it was spinning very true and stable. Matt Monaco made a speed demon out of me, but speed's your friend until it's not. And how many will admit to turning on the lathe with the spindle locked-show of hands?

Thanks for indulging my scary story. Live and learn, scarred but smarter. It can happen to you. Wear your PPE. Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
 
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I confess…I never lock the tailstock spindle. Instead, when I have the live center engaged, I regularly tighten the tailstock wheel to ensure proper pressure is being applied.
I will keep driving it in on green wood and then lock it, check and retighten frequently especially on a heavier blank. It's just maddening when my PM tail-stock keeps slipping no matter how much I crank it down.
 
One downside I've run into with the sundstrom, is it seems to clamp down onto your head in such a way...well, it seems to require being clamped fairly tight?

Just as a data point, I have the Sundstrom as well and don't feel like I need to have it overtightened, nor do I have comfort issues with wearing it for extended periods. I was fortunate enough that it was mostly "set and forget". That fit was recently battle tested at a week long workshop with Elizabeth Weber, far and away the most I've worn that rig in any one week. Obviously hat sizes and head shapes vary quite a lot, so it may be worth looking at the helmet fit again to see if something can be done. For example, you might be helped by some additional padding to help the helmet feel secure without overtightening. I'm thinking of how bicycle helmets will sometimes come with pad sets of varying thickness to tune the fit for different wearers. Good luck sorting that out!
 
Nobody is debating the “safety” of cigar smoking. I think the point is that the cigar smoke isn’t being inhaled into the lungs, which is what you called out when you decided to start lecturing Kent about the evils of smoking 🤣🚭
Thanks. I had to sit on my hands trying to think out a measured response to that post, then saw your reply pretty much said what I wanted to, only much more politely than I would have...
 
And how many will admit to turning on the lathe with the spindle locked-show of hands?

Fortunately, my Robust AB has a microswitch on the spindle lock that saves me from making that faux pas. However, I have squealed the belt when I applied power while the toolrest was jammed against the bowl blank.
 
And how many will admit to turning on the lathe with the spindle locked-show of hands?

I'll have to show my hand for that. I don't do it on my PM much, but on my Wen, all too often. I think its that the lock is at the back of the Wen headstock, and somehow its not entirely out of sight, but out of sight enough to be out of mind, too? :D

I usually wear my PPE. The last week though, I didn't. Msot of the time I was not, I was rearranging my shop...I knew there would be dust, but, I ended up leaving the mask in the house repeatedly, and didn't go back to get it. I'm regretting it now. Coughing a lot, wheezing a bit. Should have worn my PPE. ☹️ I almost built a proper dust collection system some years ago (in fact, back then may have been why I signed up, to ask questions about proper DC here), but I ended up not (not quite enough funds at the time for the entire thing.) I really quite regret not doing it now. Not only has ClearVue Cyclones closed their doors, and I was pretty dead set on one of their systems, the alternative options have become SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than the cost I was looking at years ago. Which has just put it that much farther out of reach. If I had a proper DC, I don't think my shop would be as dust-infused as it is...but, these days, there is a coating (or many) over every surface. This, despite having and always running my overhead air filter all the time, too.

So PPE is pretty essential, even just moving about the shop...fine dust gets kicked up so easily.
 
I confess…I never lock the tailstock spindle. Instead, when I have the live center engaged, I regularly tighten the tailstock wheel to ensure proper pressure is being applied.
I do the same. No point to tighten.

My PM tailstock door was removed by a prior owner—fills with shavings though I keep a small flashlight and honing bar in there. PITA.
 
I do the same. No point to tighten.

My PM tailstock door was removed by a prior owner—fills with shavings though I keep a small flashlight and honing bar in there. PITA.

Could you craft some kind of wood replacement door for it? I once saw a video where a guy replaced every knob, handle and lever on his PM with hand crafted wood ones. :D It looked pretty good in the end, actually.
 
Could you craft some kind of wood replacement door for it? I once saw a video where a guy replaced every knob, handle and lever on his PM with hand crafted wood ones. :D It looked pretty good in the end, actually.
He removed any attachments and I’m not good at anything not round and brown.
 
how many will admit to turning on the lathe with the spindle locked-show of hands?
Yep, do it too much. The Nova dvr motor sensors quickly figure it out and shut off the motor, no harm.

Who adjusts the tool rest/banjo with the work spinning? I do it some, depends on the situation.

Who adjusts the toolrest/banjo (lathe off), but doesnt hand spin for clearance? For me its “damn I forgot” vs intentional (see previous confession), sometimes the piece locks the lathe and it shuts down, no damage. Other times I get the chance to be creative with what’s left of an almost finished piece.
 
Yep, do it too much. The Nova dvr motor sensors quickly figure it out and shut off the motor, no harm.

Who adjusts the tool rest/banjo with the work spinning? I do it some, depends on the situation.

Who adjusts the toolrest/banjo (lathe off), but doesnt hand spin for clearance? For me its “damn I forgot” vs intentional (see previous confession), sometimes the piece locks the lathe and it shuts down, no damage. Other times I get the chance to be creative with what’s left of an almost finished piece.

I adjust the banjo with the lathe running about 80% of the time. On winged bowl or odd pieces, I'll adjust with the lathe off.

Checking clearance is part of my routine so I'm pretty good there.
 
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