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Demonstrator Safety Requirements

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The Nittany Valley Woodturners had a demonstrator at this month's meeting who would not wear a face shield stating that he had safety glasses with side shields and the piece was small, 1-1/2 x 1-1/2 x 9. Since the club doesn't have any written requirements for safety equipment he was allowed to proceed.
Is there any AAW requirements about safety and club insurance coverage for demonstrators at a club sponsored event? How do other clubs handle demo safety?
Thanks...Ken
 
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The AAW has requirements for demonstrators at AAW symposia and makes recommendations for affiliated clubs, but local turning clubs are independent organizations, and the AAW can't mandate safety requirements for them. I believe that most clubs incorporate AAW recommendations in their safety requirements. Your club's insurance company needs to be aware of your club's written safety requirements designed to mitigate unsafe practices that run the risk of injury. I'm surprised that your club doesn't have any written safety requirements.
 
The AAW has requirements for demonstrators at AAW symposia and makes recommendations for affiliated clubs, but local turning clubs are independent organizations, and the AAW can't mandate safety requirements for them. I believe that most clubs incorporate AAW recommendations in their safety requirements. Your club's insurance company needs to be aware of your club's written safety requirements designed to mitigate unsafe practices that run the risk of injury. I'm surprised that your club doesn't have any written safety requirements.
Up to this point, all demonstrators have used facemasks so there was never any questions.
Is there a recommended or example document offered by the AAW?
 
Log in to the AAW website. On the menu bar, click on Chapters. Then select Chapter Officer Toolkit. Here you will find a very large list of topics. Scroll down to near the bottom of the page, and you will see "Sample Demonstrator Contract". If you still have questions, don't hesitate to get in touch with the AAW office by phone.
 
Our demonstrator was a club member. This contract is for external demonstrators.
Does a club member have to be a member of AAW to demonstrate at his or her own club meeting? It is already hard enough get demonstrators.
 
Our demonstrator was a club member. This contract is for external demonstrators.
Does a club member have to be a member of AAW to demonstrate at his or her own club meeting? It is already hard enough get demonstrators.
It can be tough with a club member.

If your club has a written policy of wearing a face shield - then it’s a bit easier. The demonstrator coordinator can say.
“ our policy requires a face shield if you want to turn in the lathe you need to be wearing one”
That’s pretty clear cut and it isn’t personality against personality.

You can even put a little sign on the lathe near the switch.

Without a written policy the potential exists for creating a division within the club if it become personality against personality.


I have a vague memory of an AAW demonstrator not wearing a face shield because doctors letter said he shouldn’t because of a claustrophobic or anxiety issue that the face shield would trigger.
 
I don't understand why you would mandate a face shield. I have watched many demonstrate at symposiums and club meetings. I only recall one demonstrator wear a face shield. If you're concerned enough about the demonstrator needing a face shield, the audience should wear them as well. I think mandatory safety gear is a very dangerous practice. If you require someone to wear a face shield or safety glasses when they are nor necessary, they won't take you seriously when they really need to wear them. Take a beekeeper for example, most beginners will dress up in full gear, gloves, coveralls, and veil. Whereas an experienced beekeeper will often only wear a veil with standard clothing. The beginners will be terrified of being stung, but the experienced one will understand the situation and take other precautions. Working without gloves is necessary for dexterity needed in advanced beekeeping operation. Too many people overlook training for safety. Yes safety gear is needed, but I think it should only be used if there are no other options to safety perform your work.
 
...demonstrator at this month's meeting who would not wear a face shield stating that he had safety glasses with side shields and the piece was small, 1-1/2 x 1-1/2 x 9

Hmm...

A 1.5" spindle, 9" long? Think of what would happen if that broke. Better yet, try it: put on all your safety gear, spin a short spindle blank like that in a chuck, and cut it into two pieces anywhere along the length. Watch what happens to the piece cut off. Consider the physics. Even a 1" diameter piece of wood 14" long is harmless if cut or broken in two.

What about miniatures? The penny shows the scale. Would a non-negotiable full face shield policy enforcement apply to demonstrating these?
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Perhaps for some situations there might be room for common sense. 😲

I turned two pieces of wood at a recent club demo - the exposed part of one blank was about 1-1/2" diameter by 2-1/5" long, the other was about 1/2" diameter by 3" long, both held in chucks. I didn't get any photos during the demo - these pics are from my handout document:
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Is there a valid reason to wear full face protection when turning small pieces like these at a demo?
I was more likely to injure myself by accidentally slicing my finger with a razor-sharp skew.

I strongly agree a demonstrator should choose to wear protection where appropriate. For example, a large-diameter piece of wood that came apart it could easily throw a heavy chunk of wood at high velocity- a hazard to face, eyes, head. Demonstrators turning such things often choose to wear face protection. But remember, even a 6" dia bowl blank can be a hazard to an inexperienced turner who pries it off the lathe with a big catch!

Just for fun, I just now looked through photos I took at a bunch of demonstrations, some at clubs and some at regional turning symposiums. In all the photos I could not find anyone wearing full face protection Glasses/safety glasses were universal. Has anyone ever seen Clewes turn one of his "winged bowls", basically a small bowl off-center on a flat board, scary high speed,- he wore safety glasses. No audience safety shield, but some people in the "line of fire" changed seats!
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I've only been to one AAW turning symposium but didn't get any photos. Does EVERY demonstrator at EVERY symposium wear full face protection at the lathe?


I read the Sample Contract on the AAW site. I wonder if it was written by a lawyer with no woodturning experience. It appears the real purpose of this contract is stated near the bottom "this agreement invokes your individual AAW general liability insurance coverage." Does this imply the liability insurance risks invalidation by some detail? Was the Sample Contract supplied by the insurance company? No club I've belonged to, visited, or demonstrated at used this contract.

Last time I checked I was still not a lawyer. @Ken Vasko, your club might hire one for an opinion - perhaps a signed waver would protect from a claim.

Other sections of the contract don't make sense to me. Consider this:
"When selecting your woods, please be aware of wood allergies. No toxic or exotic woods may be used."
The two halves of the sentence seem contradictory: first is a suggestion to "please be aware" followed by the requirement concerning what is not allowed. Search the research literature or the details in almost every species in the Wood Database, or just check this article to see how many species commonly used at demonstrations are on the list.

Wood allergies are real - but note the statement in the Wood Database article: "In the end, using almost any wood is a calculated risk, and the question boils down to this: how much of a potential risk am I comfortable with? 1 in 10? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 1,000,000?"

What about sanding at a demo? Power sanding is one thing, not permitted in any club I've visited. But should a demonstrator be required to wear this when hand sanding a tiny thing for 10 seconds?:
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To avoid all risk, never turn on your lathe or bandsaw or use hand tools. Don't use, sell, or give anything made from wood. Drink nothing by distilled water. Never walk outside, ride a bicycle, drive a car on a road or travel by plane. Stay away from anything animal, vegetable, or mineral. Don't disagree with your spouse.

JKJ
 
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don't understand why you would mandate a face shield. I have watched many demonstrate at symposiums and club meetings. I only recall one demonstrator wear a face shield. If you're concerned enough about the demonstrator needing a face shield, the audience should wear them as well.
Good point on the audience but a lathe shield is pretty ubiquitous for audience protection at symposiums these days.
symposiums I’ve demonstrated at since AAW put in the face shield rule have required face shields. Most have a shield in front of the lathe to protect the audience. The Florida clubs near me all have lathe shields

back in the old days I attended a mini symposium in 1993 we all just stood around the lathe with no protection while David Ellsworth, Bonnie Klein, John Jordan, Johannes Michelson, Giles Gilson and Palmer Sharpless demonstrated wearing safety glasses.
When Stoney Lamar turned we all watched from the other side of the room. Stoney did these awesome sculptures with off center pieces.

A 1.5" spindle, 9" long? Think of what would happen if that broke. Better yet, try it: put on all your safety gear, spin a short spindle blank like that in a chuck, and cut it into two pieces anywhere along the length. Watch what happens to the piece cut off. Consider the physics. Even a 1" diameter piece of wood 14" long is harmless if cut or broken in two.

I saw what happens when a 3x3x5 hits the tool rest and bounces off someone’s mouth.
Lots of blood, ER visit, 12 stitches, teeth wired in.
This was an experienced turner if he’d been wearing a face shield it would have been a non event.
If the tailstock had been properly locked there would have been no accident but then that’s why we call them accidents.

John try your experiment between centers with the tailstock not locked in place the physics are a bit different it the loose end whips around and hits the tool rest. Try it with a cracked blank cut through it near the tailstock so a very sharp end can hit you. Sharp square corner across your face is gonna make a bad cut or worse.
 
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