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My first thought is it looks pretty big and bulky........but, that comes from someone who never did warm up to the interchangeable handle concept. I like a single permanent wooden handle on each tool steel. It may be a little more expensive that way, but the tool is ready any time you are.....and, when you are in the middle of doing something, it's really nice to not have to stop and change.....breaks your concentration.

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odie said:
My first thought is it looks pretty big and bulky........but, that comes from someone who never did warm up to the interchangeable handle concept. I like a single permanent wooden handle on each tool steel. It may be a little more expensive that way, but the tool is ready any time you are.....and, when you are in the middle of doing something, it's really nice to not have to stop and change.....breaks your concentration.

ooc
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Odie,

I understand what your saying but when you reach for another tool you are breaking the flow a bit anyway. In addition when you reach for another tooled handle so often you either grab the wrong one or something falls because of the storage issues. I personally love the ER type handles because you can use one handle that you are accustomed to for all of your 3/4", 5/8", 1/2" and etc. Not only that but you simply remove the dull tool one and pop a sharp tool in and keep working which takes maybe 5 seconds longer than just picking up a new tool and going. The storage issue with so many tooled handles becomes an issue, a tool without a handle store much easier. Sharpening tools without handles is so much quicker and easier as well. The other advantage is, at least with hollow tubes as a handle, is you can easily adjust the length of the projection to fit a particular cut. Sometimes the tool projecting to far out or to close to the feral can become an issue on certain cuts. So can sharpening a tool when is short and to close to the feral. So many more advantages to collet handles versus dedicated handles. They may not be for everyone but for me they are one of the best things for wood turning since round bar stock started being used for bowl gouges.

What I did not understand in the video is whether or not Brent is making an ER25 and ER16 collet holder for handles. The smaller ones like Kelton's are great for the different size gouges. I have an ER32 for my 3/4" gouges (roughing), ER25 for both 5/8" and 1/2" gouges and ER 16 for my 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4" gouges. The handles are all different lengths to accommodate the different diameter sized gouges. The handles also have removable extensions for them if I need them a bit longer/shorter for an application. I am going on and on here so I guess you get the picture that I love them. So versatile.
 
odie said:
My first thought is it looks pretty big and bulky........but, that comes from someone who never did warm up to the interchangeable handle concept. I like a single permanent wooden handle on each tool steel. It may be a little more expensive that way, but the tool is ready any time you are.....and, when you are in the middle of doing something, it's really nice to not have to stop and change.....breaks your concentration.

ooc
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I agree that the way he shows it where the metal ring is still on the Henry Taylor handle makes it look off balance. I think that if about 2½" were cut off the front of the Henry Taylor handle then it might not look quite so clunky. I suspect that he might be working on some sort of handle to go with the collet since he doesn't make them -- they are very common off-the-shelf parts from any industrial supply house. Everybody seems o be getting into the handle business these days. I might as well start selling Boehme signature handles. Charlie, you can be the first in your 'hood to own one.
 
dbonertz said:
Odie,

I understand what your saying but when you reach for another tool you are breaking the flow a bit anyway. In addition when you reach for another tooled handle so often you either grab the wrong one or something falls because of the storage issues. I personally love the ER type handles because you can use one handle that you are accustomed to for all of your 3/4", 5/8", 1/2" and etc. Not only that but you simply remove the dull tool one and pop a sharp tool in and keep working which takes maybe 5 seconds longer than just picking up a new tool and going. The storage issue with so many tooled handles becomes an issue, a tool without a handle store much easier. Sharpening tools without handles is so much quicker and easier as well. The other advantage is, at least with hollow tubes as a handle, is you can easily adjust the length of the projection to fit a particular cut. Sometimes the tool projecting to far out or to close to the feral can become an issue on certain cuts. So can sharpening a tool when is short and to close to the feral. So many more advantages to collet handles versus dedicated handles. They may not be for everyone but for me they are one of the best things for wood turning since round bar stock started being used for bowl gouges.

What I did not understand in the video is whether or not Brent is making an ER25 and ER16 collet holder for handles. The smaller ones like Kelton's are great for the different size gouges. I have an ER32 for my 3/4" gouges (roughing), ER25 for both 5/8" and 1/2" gouges and ER 16 for my 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4" gouges. The handles are all different lengths to accommodate the different diameter sized gouges. The handles also have removable extensions for them if I need them a bit longer/shorter for an application. I am going on and on here so I guess you get the picture that I love them. So versatile.
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Hiya dbonertz,

Hey.....don't get me wrong here.......I'm a firm believer in the concept of doing what works best for everyone!

Since we're on the subject.....what do you use for scrapers, skews, etc......? You've still got to do it the old fashioned way, with a permanent handle, right?.....or, is there such a thing as an interchangeable handle for these kinds of tools, too?

I can certainly see an advantage to sharpening shorter gouge inserts that have the Ellsworth grind, because you wouldn't have that long tool to swing across the arc.....but, what about a standard grind? My thoughts are you're still going to have to sharpen the standard grind with the collet handle installed, so there would be no difference there. I believe I'm probably the odd duck on this, but I use a standard grind ten times more often than I do the Ellsworth grind......so, that would certainly make a difference to me when considering the advantages of having a replaceable tool in a collet handle.

ooc
 
Bill, if you make they will come!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously, I really liked what sb was doing at Virginia symposium.....he was changing handles depending on the cut he wanted, changing the tool in the handle, seems you need at least 3 or 4 different handles......tools fit them, took way less space, and since they are flat you can see which one you need and they are not sticking up for you to stab yourself

I am slowly changing over my tools to handless tools.....doug I know will like this

I have several sizes of tool handles but they are 3/8, 1/2, & 5/8 collect with the two thingys screws.......with wooden handles, but I like a collect that is adjustable where one needs less handles.....that is way cool
 
Odie,

I am referring to gouges. You are correct on the skews and scrapers and such they have their own handles. I use (6) 3/4" gouges and (5) 5/8" gouges and (5 or 6) 1/2" gouges and (3 or 4) 3/8" gouges and (1) 1/4" gouge with a dedicated handle since I only use the one. Having collet handles for them saves a ton of room. I use jigs for sharpening so I really like the no handle for this purpose. Only grind that I leave the handle on for sharpening is the 85 degree bottom feeder, 1/4" gouge and the skews and scrapers. Not saying anyone can get away without dedicated handles but when you use a lot of the same size tool the collet handles are awesome.
 
I would much rather have interchangeable handles both collect and size handles than a bunch of chucks, just need one chuck and some jaws, looking for more steel faceplates
 
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