Al......I think where there is some confusion, is you and I, both are considering terms to be universally applicable, where it's really not.......and, the testament to this, is so often there is not a universal understanding of what others mean in their statements, specifically as a result of an individual's varying definitions of words.
To my thinking, a "traditional" grind is not a description of any one particular grind, but how it is ground. That may be a point that confuses the issue for some people.......Or, maybe it's just me and and a few other turners, like Leo (I think) who are considering that any shape of grind that is produced by a gouge rotating on it's own longitudinal axis while it's being ground, is a "traditional" grind. This is one thing that I understood from Steve's post......that he believes only the very blunted (more obtuse) angle grind is what he considers a "traditional" grind, and nothing else. I could be wrong about what he, and others think about that, but from my perspective, Leo's and my grind are also a "traditional" grinds.....based on how it's ground, rather than singling out one particular grind. This is the way it is with a "side grind" gouge as well, it seems......because the term encompasses a variety of possible grinds that are considered to be "side ground" gouges.
ko