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"Slide Gloves" and black plastic tape.........

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When you want to have ultimate friction free sliding on your final delicate precision cuts, these cotton "slide gloves" against the plastic tape is a real boon. One finger is left longer, so that it makes better contact
with the black plastic tape.....
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Good idea but I'm not an advocate of gloves of any type around machinery under power. IMHO, gloves around machinery and sandals in the shop are a no-no.

Thanks, John.......I guess you'll never know the advantages these slide gloves, along with the black plastic tape can provide when searching for a tool finish that can start sanding at a very fine grit. I think I'll continue to use this advantage.

I do wholeheartedly agree about the sandals, though.....but not for the same reasons. It's just that I can't stand sawdust and shavings mingling with the little poets! I'll bet you didn't know my toes were poets, did you?.......they are Longfellows! :rolleyes:.....:D

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ode, that joke is older than me. :cool: Once I dropped an Xacto knife point first on my foot. Even though I had leather shoes on, the point pierced the shoe and hit a small vein. Had a time getting the bleeding to stop.
Edit: I went back and looked at the pictures and I understand what you are doing. The gloves are nowhere near the piece or machinery parts. Took me some time. Getting slow in my old age?
 

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While we're on the subject of gloves, I thought I'd show you these. They have a rubberized surface, and are cheap from Harbor Freight. I've found they are very good for getting a good solid grip on the angle head drills I use for my sanding operations. The finger tips have been cut off........
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Hi all! I am not a safety nerd, but one point from above resonated with me... sandals in the shop. I tend to wear my Tevas everywhere about nine months out the the year. But when I work in the shop, I bite the bullet and put on socks and my Reebok sneakers. While they are not leather or steel-toed, that vinyl outer layer is my first defense between a dropped chisel and my skin. (And the original post about gloves is a great idea -- I have been using an older mountain biking glove to keep shavings from wearing away the side of my left hand during heavy roughing.) Thanks for all your wisdom and tips here!

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If there were chuck jaw edges sticking out, or the gloves were loose/floppy or Odie were a beginner or just plain dumb, I'd agree with Torchick. But I do not see a problem with the set-up that's pictured. I've had occasions with the Unisaw and the band saw where wearing gloves was safer than not. Not very often, but it does happen. Thanks for tip, Odie.
 
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What we need is a thin tear away glove that can breath. Latex gloves work fine but your hands
are not able to breath and start to sweat while in use. There are hundreds of new gloves entering
the market for various applications, hopefully someone will develop a product for the turning market
that addresses the safety issue and functionality of the product.
 

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I quit wearing a glove about 20 years ago when One caused a nasty burn.
I used a leather glove with fingers cut off. A drop of CA wicked inside a finger.
Didn't glue my finger just gave it a nasty burn with a blister. It hurt! No more gloves for me.
Same thing happened to a guy I know about the same time. This burn changed my risk benefit to no glove...

The danger posed by gloves, watches, rings, sleeves... is getting caught by a spinning edge.
Round bowls and faceplates have no edges.

If the edge of chuck jaws, square corners, natural edges, voids... etc. catch gloves, sleeves, or jewelry they won't let go and serious injury may occur.

If those edges catch skin your skin lets go and you maybe have a cut or bruise that is most likely a minor nuisance type of injury.
 
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I turn on a metal lathe a fair amount and wearing latex gloves is a standard practice to
keep your hands from getting contaminated with cutting fluids, grease and oil. When working
on a wood lathe the latex gloves come in handy when gluing segment rings while mounted on
the lathe and using CA glue to join pieces together. A glove that would protect the skin from
these chemicals put allow the skin to breathe but not be a safety hazard would be a plus.
 
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How about if you simply cut the finger off the glove and used that rather than a whole glove.. not much to get caught. But, what do I know.. I'm a true newb.

CA on cotton not too bad.. however, CA on synthetic creates heat and a different fusion. Don't ask me how I know. It was CA on a Kevlar woodcarving glove.
 

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I may be overly careful, but I don't wear anything near my (wood or metal) lathes that could catch. So, no ring, no watch, & no gloves.

The Army taught me not to wear jewelry when parachuting, and plant safety taught me to wear safety glasses and to never take shortcuts.

As for the metal working, I figure it's easier to scrub my dirty hands than to reattach a digit.

Maybe I'm overly cautious, but that's my approach and I've been safe so far.

One note though: there are many on this forum with much more experience turning than I do, so take my comments with that in mind.
 
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How about if you simply cut the finger off the glove and used that rather than a whole glove.. not much to get caught. But, what do I know.. I'm a true newb....

I assume that you mean the opposite of what Odie does where you would keep the fingers and toss the rest away. The fingers would need to fit snugly enough that they wouldn't be slipping or falling off during use. I envision a couple problems with that approach. One problem is that they would inhibit the ability to feel a surface. We are able to feel more than we can see when checking for imperfections in a curve or surface smoothness. A bigger concern is safety ... rotating machinery is very likely to grab anything that it can latch onto. The open back end of a glove finger would be something protruding out and in close proximity to the spinning workpiece ... and in danger of being grabbed and seriously injuring the finger. Finger injuries are very slow to heal and often leave some residual impairment.

Fingerless gloves might be safer, but they still pose a risk of being grabbed. In manufacturing, gloves are not allowed to be worn around rotating machinery.
 

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I can imagine just how much progress, and just how many advantages would never exist, if everything were eliminated which involved some element of risk........these slide gloves have an advantage that would never be realized, if OSHA set the rules for artistic endeavor. Since they don't, I still have a choice in what risks I'll assume.....and I'll also realize why the advantages are worth assuming the risks!......:D

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That' sounds like quite an impressive advantage.

In and of itself......not so much, Bill.........

But viewed as only one cog in the gears of success, it's worth having as a small element of the whole......!

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I just ran across this web page, and wanted to add it to this thread :


This is the OSHA web site, and really only logs injuries at businesses. I searched their database for lathes, but was equally amazed when I searched for drill presses. Amazing the number of people who lost digits when their gloved hands got pulled into the rotating bit. :(


One last recommendation I want to also consolidate here (and have seen it elsewhere) : if you are tired, you will make mistakes. If you make a small one, stop and assess it. You may need to stop for the day. Better to finish later, than to regret forever.

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if you are tired, you will make mistakes. If you make a small one, stop and assess it. You may need to stop for the day. Better to finish later, than to regret forever.

So true.
We all get caught in that I can make one more mode. Try to recognize it.

Many years back Clay Foster told me. “An alert mind is your most important safety gear.”
To be around anything moving or sharp I want an alert mind.

Fatigue -mind is not alert. repetitive tasks -the mind tends to loose focus
 
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Fatigue mode is the worst for wood turners, this is when you usually ruin the work piece that has hours of work invested in it while also testing your response time in making the critical decision to either reach for the STOP button or find a safe space to be in while your work piece bounces around your shop for several seconds.
 
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Fatigue mode is the worst for wood turners, this is when you usually ruin the work piece that has hours of work invested in it while also testing your response time in making the critical decision to either reach for the STOP button or find a safe space to be in while your work piece bounces around your shop for several seconds.
I count the "fatigue mode" safety issue right about par with the "just one more cut" safety issue. Odie, the cotton gloves and the electrician tape works great....Thank you.
 
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Costco sells a package of 3 leather golf gloves for $15. They are left hand. I cut the fingers off at where the first joint is. They are tight, light weight and very comfortable. If I didn't wear them when roughing out green wood the side of my hand would get burned. I have been wearing open toed sandals in warm weather for 20 years. Once in a while a piece of wood or bark will find a toe. Kinda wakes me up.
 

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I suppose the safest advice is to never take a risk.

Then again, for some of us, knowing the risk and accepting it in pursuit of a benefit specifically as a result of taking that risk......is a goal some of us are willing to accept those risks to achieve. What needs to be the focus, is knowing the risks involved, and having awareness at all times. This doesn't mean that the risk takers will never pay for taking the risk.....but, by not taking the risk, the benefits will never be realized. :D

Now, considering OSHA is generally concerned with occupational hazards, and liability for employers, I'd probably demand an employee of mine follow the standards outlined therein......however, the risks I'm willing to take for myself are not taken under the same set of standards.

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I suppose the safest advice is to never take a risk.

Then again, for some of us, knowing the risk and accepting it in pursuit of a benefit specifically as a result of taking that risk......is a goal some of us are willing to accept those risks to achieve. What needs to be the focus, is knowing the risks involved, and having awareness at all times. This doesn't mean that the risk takers will never pay for taking the risk.....but, by not taking the risk, the benefits will never be realized. :D

Now, considering OSHA is generally concerned with occupational hazards, and liability for employers, I'd probably demand an employee of mine follow the standards outlined therein......however, the risks I'm willing to take for myself are not taken under the same set of standards.

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I would like to hear some concrete examples of things that you do, the known risk, and the benefit. For example I might say that I have a ponytail and I use it to apply carnauba wax to a bowl while it is spinning on the lathe. The risk is that I might be instantly scalped if the ponytail gets wound around the bowl. I take that risk because of the incredible finish that it produces which is far beyond what can be achieved with a buffing wheel. (For the record I have as much hair on my noggin as there is on a cue ball) If you try this example I can't guarantee that the results will be any better than a buffing wheel.
 

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I would like to hear some concrete examples of things that you do, the known risk, and the benefit.

Well Bill......you did read this thread, didn't you? :D

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Well Bill......you did read this thread, didn't you? :D

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I'm specifically referring to your statement below from post #22 and not the original post where you reduce friction by using tape on the tool rest. We can agree that there is probably minimal risk in what you are doing there as long as you aren't sticking your hand past the tool rest. But the thread seems to have taken a detour into unspecified risky territory with an implied benefit:

..... Then again, for some of us, knowing the risk and accepting it in pursuit of a benefit specifically as a result of taking that risk......is a goal some of us are willing to accept those risks to achieve. What needs to be the focus, is knowing the risks involved, and having awareness at all times. This doesn't mean that the risk takers will never pay for taking the risk.....but, by not taking the risk, the benefits will never be realized. :D......

So, what I'm asking is whether you can name any specific risk taking with a potential for injury and what the benefit would be.

My concern is sending a message that it's OK to ignore safe practices because there are rewards that make doing so worthwhile. I would contend that any risk taking is nothing more than taking shortcuts in an attempt to save time and the same end result can be attained safely.
 

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I'm specifically referring to your statement below from post #22 and not the original post where you reduce friction by using tape on the tool rest. We can agree that there is probably minimal risk in what you are doing there as long as you aren't sticking your hand past the tool rest. But the thread seems to have taken a detour into unspecified risky territory with an implied benefit:



So, what I'm asking is whether you can name any specific risk taking with a potential for injury and what the benefit would be.

My concern is sending a message that it's OK to ignore safe practices because there are rewards that make doing so worthwhile. I would contend that any risk taking is nothing more than taking shortcuts in an attempt to save time and the same end result can be attained safely.

So, what I'm asking is whether you can name any specific risk taking with a potential for injury and what the benefit would be.

Hello again Bill......as I indicated above, the answer is right here in this thread. Specifically, it's the use of gloves while lathe turning. Rich Colvin gave some OSHA information on that.....so, there's the risk, and potential for injury. The benefit is also very specific.......a better surface quality that becomes possible only by the tool sliding more fluidly, and with less effort, than is possible otherwise.

My concern is sending a message that it's OK to ignore safe practices because there are rewards that make doing so worthwhile. I would contend that any risk taking is nothing more than taking shortcuts in an attempt to save time and the same end result can be attained safely.

Let me be very clear, Bill.......Suggesting that anyone else should be ignoring safety practices is not my intent, and I am not advising anyone to do so. I will state that OSHA safety practices could be debatable under some circumstances, and are the result of the lowest common denominator when accidents occur in an industrial environment. Some safety rules are more appropriate than others.....and, the application can be subject to some individuals, and not to others.....rather than a group. If any individual turner is that lowest common denominator, then the safety rule is a good one to apply......but, to apply these rules across the board may prevent some individuals from safely assuming what would be a risk for others.

-----odie-----

Heck......my 1950's vintage Delta table saw has NO guard (never did), and I've been using it for close to 50 years now......and, I still have all my fingers.....how can that possibly be?!!!!! :D
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Costco sells a package of 3 leather golf gloves for $15. They are left hand. I cut the fingers off at where the first joint is. They are tight, light weight and very comfortable. If I didn't wear them when roughing out green wood the side of my hand would get burned. I have been wearing open toed sandals in warm weather for 20 years. Once in a while a piece of wood or bark will find a toe. Kinda wakes me up.
Like some above, I also suffer from the "standing malady" at the lathe. As such, I bought one of those nice soft spongy floor mats and it helped...but the real help came last month when I kicked off the sandals, bought some of those rubber crocks, and then also use the rubber mat when I'm turning. Tremendous relief/difference on the knees and feet. I almost feel human after standing 5-6 hours. I just can't wait to wear them while I'm chainsawing blanks, Bill (...I'm just kidding)!
 
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Industrial facilities have gone to the extreme on Personal Protective Equipment where we now have more people suffering from heat strokes because they are required to wear excessive amounts of protective equipment creating greater levels of physical and environmental stress on the user. Simple tasks taking an hour to complete have morphed into an all day job as these workers can only work for maybe 10 minutes and must remove their PPE and take a rest break to recover from the excessive stress created by wearing the PPE required by OSHA for certain tasks. Wearing a gumby suit while breathing through a SCBA system is also very claustrophobic which adds to the stress level for the user.
 
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