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Symposium Grumbles...

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This was my first symposium and by and large I had a great time - the rotations I sat in on were wonderful.

I'm not usually much of a complainer and would rarely speak out in such a public forum. My usual response to slights or disappointments is to let it roll off my back; I figure there must be a good reason for things happening the way they do. That said, I am having a hard time reconciling my disappointment with one incident...

I had looked forward to seeing the Japanese Bowls exhibit for much of the weekend; it was pencilled onto my schedule for Sunday noon during the lunch break. The signs outside the gallery room indicated it would be open until 4:30 Sunday afternoon. Heck, even if I didn't make it during lunch, I figured I had close to an hour and 20 minutes after the last rotation to soak it in. Sharing the space was the POP exhibit.

To my great disappointment, shared by several others around me, when I arrived at the gallery room at about 11:55 the exhibit was by and large taken down and in the process of being boxed up. I was discouraged from entering and viewing the scant remaining pieces on display. Upon checking the signage to the left of the door, the original information was confirmed that the exhibit was to remain open until 4:30 Sunday. The sign to the right of the door said the very same. I understand wanting to go home at the end of a long, tiring process and weekend; but prematurely closing down 5 hours before the scheduled time was inexcusable.

I'm sorry to say, and I certainly don't say this lightly, the impatience shown by the curators was inexcusable and clouded my impression of the symposium.
 
When doing craftshows, I don't view packing up early an option, even for very slow shows, unless there is some sort of emergency that you have to get to. I would expect the same for an event like this.

Al
 
I can say that I didn't think the turn out (for this exhibit) was low, it was always packed with people from Thursday (the first time I went in), to Friday (when I took a bunch of photos) to Saturday, when I wanted to kill just a but more time....
I wasn't surprised to see it closed, as I left at 4PM (Sunday), but I didn't know it was supposed to be open until 4:30
 
Symposium gripe

I felt the Japanese demo was too much on history and too little on style and technique. Also seemed like the registration desk lacked info....we were mis-informed on starting times for the Youth turns....missed the first one. We were signed up for 3 on Saturday, got to do 2....the items to be turned kept changing also. Other than that, the overall Symposium was very well presented. Thank you all who made it possible!!! I brought my Grand-son (16), and he will talk of this for many years after my passing!!!!! :D
 
Mr Don
Considering he got a chisel set (I think all 47 in the youth program did, right?) and had a 1:2 chance of a full setup, I would think so.

One of the local's grand-son got a full setup, we were giving him a bad time as now his grand-son has a better chisel set then he does.
 
Youth turn...

Nope...my grandson did not win a lathe or a tool set....but he told me he was going to remember this day (GREAT!!!!) for the rest of his life. GOOD job to all that made this possible!! :D :D :D
 
Mr. Don said:
Nope...my grandson did not win a lathe or a tool set....but he told me he was going to remember this day (GREAT!!!!) for the rest of his life. GOOD job to all that made this possible!! :D :D :D

Did you go to the dinner? I have a vague recall that every kid that did got a chisel set
 
n7bsn said:
Did you go to the dinner? I have a vague recall that every kid that did got a chisel set

Wow, this young turner program is really good. Next year in Richmond I may rent a kid to go with me. I don't think my daughters, both in their 20's, would qualify. No grandkids yet, and my dog doesn't have opposible thumbs so she really isn't a very good turner. However, my dog is pretty good at fetching pen blanks if she can reach them on the bench. :cool2:
 
Mr. Don said:
Also seemed like the registration desk lacked info....we were mis-informed on starting times for the Youth turns....missed the first one. :D

Mr Don! I was one of the folks volunteering on the registration desk and apologize if I was the one who gave you incorrect info. I was the big guy with the Hawaiian shirt who had obviously imbibed too much coffee!) Most of us working the desk didn't get to look at our symposium packets until we got back to our hotels Thursday night and were having to get info as best we could otherwise. My apologies if we got details wrong and I am glad you were able to get into a later Youth Turn session OK.

I have a feeling that our role at the desk was to quickly get the Registration packets out and not to be an info desk, but there was no location for those questions so we were as good a source as any. We just weren't well prepared for that unfortunately.

Perhaps next year we could recognize that the folks handing out registration packets are a natural place for people to look for information (we were often their first point of contact, and we were easily located) Prep might involve a meeting prior to the start of the day with a short handout with key info on it and a verbal briefing as well, and updates as info changes.

Or - better still - have volunteers man an info desk that is well signed and easy to find. People could get the info they need without having a long line of folks waiting behind them trying to get their registration info.

An Information Desk like this should have up to date details on all events and activities and would be one of the first places to receive those updates. We should also be a location to go to when you have difficulties. We might not be able to help you with specific issues like registration problems, but we should know specifically who can help and be able to get you in touch with them quickly.

And a last thought on info. At the registration desk we had an LCD display that was showing update info, but it was embedded in a nice display on some of the work and artists who were presenting. I did not see many people who were willing to stand and watch the whole display while they waited for the update info. Perhaps this display might show JUST the updated info. A second display could show the "video brochure" stuff for those who want to watch it.

Dave
PS.....Was glad I had to chance to meet so many folks as you came through the registration desk Thurs and Fri!!! I finally have a few faces to put to names on the Forum.
 
In "the old days" they had a big bulletin board that displayed the rooms and events and it could be updated if the demos moved or were cancelled.

The only thing I was close this year was a printout that was laying on the table.


Bring it back.
 
David Somers said:
.... I was the big guy with the Hawaiian shirt who had obviously imbibed too much coffee!) ....

Wish I had know that was you, would have met another one

TTFN
Ralph
 
n7bsn said:
Did you go to the dinner? I have a vague recall that every kid that did got a chisel set
Naw...we had to leave so we could get connections on MAX literail and the bus to get home....oh well, another day...another time... :cool2:
 
n7bsn said:
Wish I had know that was you, would have met another one

TTFN
Ralph

Ralph....Look for me at the next west coast symposium, or when time and finances permit, maybe at a Utah event. Otherwise....pop by Hawaii Volcanos NP if you find yourself on the Big Island sometime. All my contact info is posted here so I am easy to find. There are not too many bearded wood turning computer specialists in the National Park Service in Hawaii!! <grin>

Dave
 
Small grumble

I didn't get to Portland but at Kansas City my wife noticed there were no first aid kits in the demo rooms (or any room for that matter that we saw). In one of the sessions a turner cut her thumb and, luckily, someone from the audience had a bandaid in their wallet. I hope at Portland they have remedied this oversight.
 
JRutten said:
I didn't get to Portland but at Kansas City my wife noticed there were no first aid kits in the demo rooms (or any room for that matter that we saw). In one of the sessions a turner cut her thumb and, luckily, someone from the audience had a bandaid in their wallet. I hope at Portland they have remedied this oversight.

A full up manned station, just out side the Vendor room.
 
David Somers said:
Ralph....Look for me at the next west coast symposium, or when time and finances permit, maybe at a Utah event. Otherwise....pop by Hawaii Volcanos NP if you find yourself on the Big Island sometime. All my contact info is posted here so I am easy to find. There are not too many bearded wood turning computer specialists in the National Park Service in Hawaii!! <grin>

Dave

I should be at Kauai in the fall: but it will be fly in, rig gear, test gear, go out, run the tests, pack the gear, fly home... Such is my work-life (upstate NY next week)
 
These are all good things to bring up at the general membership meeting the board holds during each symposium. There are always ways to improve the process and it's a direct way to put a bug in their ear. They did announce at the meeting that their were unanticipated problems with the video display when someone asked about the board. The board members are working to improve that for next year.
 
the big board

We plan to have several large printouts of the grid in Richmond.
3 foot panels at least.

These will be placed outside the meeting rooms with updates in a visible color.
Low tech but should work as nice augmentation to the room signs.

About a year ago we made the decision to use an LCD projector for the grid.
The brightness from the sky light made this unreadable. The AV folks at the convention center had recommended the plasma display in May. We used this to post changes and to present a slide show of the demonstrators work.

Happy Turning,
Al
 
hockenbery said:
We plan to have several large printouts of the grid in Richmond.
3 foot panels at least.

These will be placed outside the meeting rooms with updates in a visible color.
Low tech but should work as nice augmentation to the room signs.

About a year ago we made the decision to use an LCD projector for the grid.
The brightness from the sky light made this unreadable. The AV folks at the convention center had recommended the plasma display in May. We used this to post changes and to present a slide show of the demonstrators work.

Happy Turning,
Al

Al, the big panels are a good idea. Think about putting a set at the registration area as well. You might also include a panel with details about spouse activities and non rotation events as well. Those made up a large proportion of our questions at the desk.

For what it is worth, while working the registration tables nearly all the folks I suggested watch the video to catch changes in the schedule watched for a few minutes but gave up when the update page didn't come around quickly. Just an observation. It wasn't that long a wait, but it was obviously longer than most folks were willing to stand by.

Good meeting you and your wife too!!!

Dave
 
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Dave thanks for the comments.
I agree the wait to see the announcements was too long even though it was only about 20 seconds. and then sometimes folks missed part of the message and had to wait another 20 seconds.

-Al
 
hockenbery said:
I agree the wait to see the announcements was too long even though it was only about 20 seconds. Al
We don't have that long of an attention span...

Wait, what were we talking about?
 
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You crack me up Steve...

Hello Steve,

Got a good laugh out of that one... :) Take care and all the best to you and yours!
 
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