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Table saw that won't break the bank?

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I just bought a ridgid brand table saw and promptly returned it. The mechanism to lock the blade at 90 degrees was garbage and I never was able to get it to cut square. I have a jointer and planer which would take care of that but $400 for a table saw should cut square corners yes? I could go buy a milwaukee or dewalt and see but thought I'd ask here first. Wondering if anyone has input and experience with table saws somewhere at or under $600 that you'd recommend? Prefer mobile units on wheels or small enough to move around and lift regularly.

Thanks in advance.
 
I'd opt for a used Delta Unisaw for that budget. I have a mid 1980's vintage Unisaw, and would not hesitate to get another one of just about any vintage. If there is a Powermatic equivalent available, I'd not hesitate there either. Have mine set up on a mobile base, and with a short 36" fence.
 
Others might have a different opinion, but any quality used cabinet saw with a good fence would be a far better investment. I'm not a fan of portable saws unless you spend nearly equivalent money to a good contractors or cabinet saw. Honestly $400 isn't going to buy anything very good that is new. I'd rather have a $100 used craftsman floor model tablesaw over a cheap new portable. In 1984 I bought a craftsman floor table saw for around $500. I used it a lot over the course of more than 20+ years of ownership. It cut straight, if maybe a bit under powered at times. I cut hundreds of board feet on it. I sold it for $125 about 14 years ago and it was still working fine. Plenty of those out there, as well as good old iron in Delta, powermatic, General, Grizzly, Jet, shopfox,, and others for between $300 and $800. You'll likely have to spend at least $700 to get a new saw worth carrying home.
 
Are you moving the table saw much? I have a DeWalt 745 table saw, which is a decent saw, that I take to job sites. But in my shop, I currently have a Delta contractors' saw, and am restoring a Powermatic 66 table saw, which will be my main saw when finished. If you're not moving the saw much, I'd go with a contractors saw, or cabinet saw like a Unisaw or Powermatic, or even Grizzly. The DeWalt cuts square, but doesn't have the power that even my contractors saw does. And the tables on any of the stationary saws is going to be bigger than a portable saw
 
I would say the choice of table saw really depends on what you are cutting and how big of stuff you need to cut.. And, the less you pay the more set-up and tuning you can expect to do on them.. (fit and finish) most will have adjustments you can do to snug things up, adjust locks, you'll probably need to fine-tune the alignments, etc.. but I can recommend Skil TS6307 at least (I got one when they were really super cheap on sale) and don't particularly regret it , It works great for most work (but I would hate it if I was doing much cabinet work.. too small to handle big sheets of plywood or MDF, etc) they can be a little difficult to use when you are working on large pieces (anything over say 4 feet long, or 2 feet wide.. Not hard but not easy when it's down to 18 inches wide and 3 Ft long, and so on) but if you plan on doing much cabinet work, I'd agree to go for a contractor size floor model (a step up from job site saw) .. My next table saw, when I ever do get one, is gonna be a sawstop..
 
I bought a used Grizzly cabinet saw for $500. Great.saw.with a good solid fence. I did have to tune it up to get the best cuts but have been doing 24 a d 36 segment rings with excellent results.
 
To add another perspective (recognizing that I speak from a privileged position, but...) - consider saving up and spending $1400 on a contractors SawStop.

My father had a 1960 vintage Craftsman that I first used. Then a more recent Craftsman, and a job site saw. My first was a 1980’s Craftsman. I’ve worked on several jobsite saws. Around 2000 I upgraded to a Unisaw - what a dream!

Still, after witnessing my father and father-in-law inadvertently stick their thumbs into the blade (fortunately neither suffered worse than lots of stitches and pain) I chose to trade in a few year old Unisaw for a SawStop (cabinet saw as good as the Unisaw).

I’m careful, I respect the saw, I don’t expect to do something stupid. Yet I know my father had TONS of tablesaw experience, and it still bit him. I know *many* that have had that momentary slip and paid for it.

Not everyone can afford a SawStop, but not everyone can afford the medical bills and suffering associated with a mistake either. Some of us are privileged and can afford this ‘insurance’ without too much consternation. If you can find a way to swing it, I strongly encourage you to. If you really can’t, PLEASE be *very* careful (and when looking focus on a fence that always locks solidly parallel to the blade (and blade that is always, or can be adjusted to be, solidly parallel to the slots) not having this causes many of the ‘pucker’ moments with a tablesaw).
 
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I just bought a ridgid brand table saw and promptly returned it. The mechanism to lock the blade at 90 degrees was garbage and I never was able to get it to cut square. I have a jointer and planer which would take care of that but $400 for a table saw should cut square corners yes? I could go buy a milwaukee or dewalt and see but thought I'd ask here first. Wondering if anyone has input and experience with table saws somewhere at or under $600 that you'd recommend? Prefer mobile units on wheels or small enough to move around and lift regularly.

Thanks in advance.
You bought a table saw made for building decks, not precision. I paid $800 for a used Delta Unisaw with accessories in 1972 when I started woodworking. Expecting a precision machine for $600 49 years latter is a tall ask. I use a $150 blade as a comparison to what you want to spend on the whole machine. Do you turn on a $600 lathe? The table saw is much more complicated than a lathe!
 
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I just bought a ridgid brand table saw and promptly returned it. The mechanism to lock the blade at 90 degrees was garbage and I never was able to get it to cut square. I have a jointer and planer which would take care of that but $400 for a table saw should cut square corners yes? I could go buy a milwaukee or dewalt and see but thought I'd ask here first. Wondering if anyone has input and experience with table saws somewhere at or under $600 that you'd recommend? Prefer mobile units on wheels or small enough to move around and lift regularly.

Thanks in advance.
I bought a Ridgid table saw and returned it as well. Then I bough a Delta 36-725t2. It's a very good price/value proposition and I've been very happy with mine since last April when I bought it. They are found at Lowes and retail for $599. I used a 10% mover's coupon and bought it in Oregon for no tax so ended up even less than that. It comes with a wheel kit.
 
There's a "baby" Unisaw in Portland craigslist for $300. Same engineering design as a regular Unisaw except scaled down to an 8" blade. Excellent saws. I bought one when I sold my commercial building and downsized to a smaller home shop.
 
Buying some of the newer portable table saws is kind of iffy... If you want some thing good, and precise, go for used. Some cabinet shops may have one sitting in a corner that isn't used any more. They may even know of some one who has one that is sitting and not getting used. Granted, the portable table saws have come a long way, but you never know for sure.

robo hippy
 
One thing I'd add is if you don't have 220 power, the Delta 36-725t2 might make sense. It also has a Beismeyer style fence. I wheel mine around the shop all the time, so it's plenty portable, but I don't driven it around the yard, heh.

The Delta is a step above the jobsite saws but a step below a full-on cabinet saw - but runs on 110 power. Best saw for the money if buying new and there are good resources for it, specifically. A lot of people really are into them. Huge groups of Delta 36-725x owners can be found in the usual places...

The fences on any of the (reasonably priced) jobsite saws are horrible.
 
Tom,
Did you see this review? If you have to have a portable, this is a good review. If I were picking based on this review, it would probably be the Dewalt or Makita (if the cost is within budget). Dewalt is an affordable, fairly accurate saw.
 
Interesting article.
There's a "baby" Unisaw in Portland craigslist for $300. Same engineering design as a regular Unisaw except scaled down to an 8" blade. Excellent saws. I bought one when I sold my commercial building and downsized to a smaller home shop.
So I called this guy with the unisaw jr. and will be going to look at it in a couple days. I'll preface this stating I know virtually nothing about saws other than how to use them safely. He said it has a Dayton motor instead of the original delta. He said there are no quirks with the machine and it runs great. He also said the precision alignment dial is missing but that it was a crap design to begin with and never worked well on these machines.

It appears based on input that I'd be better off with a unit like this and I'm thinking I'll grab it but I'm wondering is I should offer his full asking price or is the missing stuff something to haggle about? I'm not opposed to $300 but only if that's fair. Hopefully a bunch of internet strangers can set me straight? You can see in photo #6 the missing adjuster.


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My 2 cents: I see 2 possible issues.. First , the 8 inch blade, you will be somewhat limited to thickness of wood you can cut.. as a turner, I'd want to be sure I can cut a 6 inch blank (3 inch either side) which my 10" saw can do.. you may be limited to , I think, less than 4 inch thickness with an 8 inch blade.. Second, if I had that machine, the very first thing I would do is add a splitter to the throat plates that are made for single blades... (since the saw has no riving knife) especially working with the sort of woods that turners typically work with .. you won't see case hardening or stresses in the wood until the kerf pinches back of the blade and your board jumps up and slaps you in the nose harder than a baseball bat.. (if not worse) I commonly get that with some rough sawn oak I happened to get that was not really sawn properly (or dried properly) - some pieces actually had areas of twisted or squiggly grain and when ripping them down , very often the relieved stresses will make the board pinch the kerf closed (so I always thank whoever designed the riving knife that is standard on newer saws) - sometimes so badly that the board won't move either forward or back, have to shut off the saw and use a chisel to spread the kerf to get the board off the saw...

Dunno about you but as good quality as the older machines may be, that 8 incher would be just too small for me (since I am not JUST a turner, but also do flatwork), and the lack of safety features, I'd be almost afraid to turn it on..
 
@Tom Hansen , I too would be concerned about a saw without a riving knife. A blade guard with splitter would be nice, too.

You haven't said what kind of work you intend to do on your TS and that matters. As mentioned, if you do intend to cut thick pieces of wood that 8" blade will impose a limitation.

And what other tools do you have available? There may be other ways to skin this cat rabbit fox rat potatoe. I only recently obtained a TS and in the past relied on a good quality 12" sliding compound miter saw for cross cuts. I still use this saw quite often because of it's 4" cutting capacity.
 
I'd much rather find a used unisaw, or something made in the good ol USA. The older ones are heavier,better cast iron,better bearings and motors.
 
It is an ugly truth but once you are a turner, sooner or later you will come to the realization that a table saw is nothing but a heavy/bulky/expensive shop table...and then you set it free. There it is...
 
The unisaw and for that matter the Powermatic 66 do have many accessories available, one of my favorites is the disappearing splitter. While not as good as a riving knife, it does work very well on rips.
 
So I called this guy with the unisaw jr. and will be going to look at it in a couple days. I'll preface this stating I know virtually nothing about saws other than how to use them safely. He said it has a Dayton motor instead of the original delta. He said there are no quirks with the machine and it runs great. He also said the precision alignment dial is missing but that it was a crap design to begin with and never worked well on these machines.

The replaced motor is good. Old Delta motors have something know as a "necklace spring" in the starting mechanism, when that breaks the motor is trash because replacement springs have not been available for a number of years. The spring problem is a big issue with older full size Unisaw's because the motor is a special mount design making replacement expensive. The small Unisaw's use a conventional motor.

I wasn't quite sure what was meant by the missing "precision alignment dial" until I looked closely at the pictures. It's the fence adjustment knob. Mine is missing too. It's not an issue, my full size Unisaw had one and I never used it.

$300 is actually a good price. I'm surprised the saw hasn't sold in the 13 days since posting. If I hadn't found mine locally I'd have driven down and picked it up.
 
I’ll guess you are getting a table saw for cutting segments. If so an 8” blade would be Ok as rings usually arent more than 2” tall. Do put a splitter on it for ripping segment stock. For flat work I will not have a saw w/o an actual riving knife that tilts with the blade (which throws out all the old saws - ok with me), but for 90 deg ripping a splitter is fine. If this doesnt work out, a Bosch 4100 is probably the top jobsite saw - closer to a hybrid cabinet saw. It comes with a nice stand.
 
I recently started a small turning project that had me cutting precision parts to assemble into a final unit and realized the saws I had are pretty much junk for anything other than "close".

I want to try my hand at segmenting as Mark suspected. I'm not a furniture builder. I'm not a professional turner. I'm a hobbyist at best and only get to turn 2 or 3 times a week due to not enough time for life/family/work. Maybe some say I'd like to learn to make a 3 leg stool or an end table or god forbid, ends for a queen size bed. But that's all distant aspirations. My turning wood pile keeps growing and I swear I'll not bring home anymore wood until I turn some of it, yet it keeps growing... so that might be an indication of how much it'll get used. I have a serious case of the "I want to's". I have a bunch of consumer quality power tools which will get me through any home improvement projects I have. I don't foresee the 8" blade being an issue for me. The worst thing is the size of this thing as I work out of a single car garage that pretty much packed full until we find our dream property (which is taking a while). My wife knows that the next place is going to have a dedicated woodshop and I promised her a studio space so we're on the same page. I'll park it in front of the garage door and open it when I need to cut.

I do like to build trinkets and jigs for the lathe so making a splitter won't be an issue. I can't think of a reason I couldn't live without off 90 rips. It sounds like a good fit and if nothing else I live by the mantra "i can always sell it again".

I very much appreciate all the attention and input you've given me and feel more comfortable with the purchase. I do believe the bosch 4100 would be my second choice.

EDIT: so are the old delta planers the same kind of thing? high quality can't be beat?
 
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