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Turning Thin Spindles

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This document shows the tools and methods I use to hold, shape, and successfully finish a thin spindle. I wrote this update for a recent club demo.

As spindles get long and thin, there are challenges to turn them successfully. My demos use “magic” wands to show the techniques but they apply to many types of thin spindles. I always take some long examples, a couple of tapered shafts that go from about 1/2” diameter down to 1/16” diameter in more than 24” - one I turned from a piece of shelving pine board from Home Depot.

Some things covered here are about the wood itself and how to prepare it, the tradeoffs between various methods of holding the work on the lathe, how to support the thin sections wood while turning (I don’t use a steady rest), some tools I use and why, lathe speed, and more. Some are techniques I developed as I learned. I have turned 100s of the wands over the years as well as other spindles such as conductors batons. I mostly give these (and other turnings) away but I have accidentally made a few thousand $$ without trying.

While writing this document, I followed every step to make sure I didn’t leave anything out, and made a wand from start to finish. At the recent demo I passed that wand around - I included a photo of it at the bottom of page 23.

If these techniques interest someone, enjoy!

BTW, my primary tool for thin spindles is the skew chisel and was surprised to learn how few people use the skew - some have had a bad experience and started using it only for scraping. Some were warned by “experts” to stay away from the evil skew. To combat this, I start all beginners with the skew, even if they have never seen a lathe before. So far this has always been successful with the method I developed - to date I have never had a student get a catch while learning! And I have occasionally taught remedial skew lessons to old-timers. Good clean fun!

As always, suggestions and corrections for a future update are welcome.

JKJ
 

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John,

This is really good. Thank you. I also appreciate the texturing document you made.

Rich
 
Great write up and documentation of the process!

Why thank you! Keep in mind I used the wand as an example, but the techniques to control flexing while turning apply to many useful and sometimes unique things. I've turned many hair sticks (prized by friends with long hair!), a number of conductors batons, delicate finials, long tool handles, and other thin things. Even things like the "sticks" in this stand are easier with these techniques:

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Some hair sticks - I took these and more to a friend in Italy. Another turner I know makes dozens for gifts. (I often make them a little longer.)

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Unfortunately, spindle turning is not even on the radar for those focused on turning bowls and bigger bowls. This is unfortunate: experts point out that spindle turning can quickly teach the fine tool control that will let you turn anything! (I have references!)

And I'm still amazed at how many "Harry Potter" fans are out there today. I often run into people who want a wand. After my last demo, a bunch of people turned one for the first time and brought them to the next show-and-tell.

JKJ
 
This document shows the tools and methods I use to hold, shape, and successfully finish a thin spindle. I wrote this update for a recent club demo.

As spindles get long and thin, there are challenges to turn them successfully. My demos use “magic” wands to show the techniques but they apply to many types of thin spindles. I always take some long examples, a couple of tapered shafts that go from about 1/2” diameter down to 1/16” diameter in more than 24” - one I turned from a piece of shelving pine board from Home Depot.

Some things covered here are about the wood itself and how to prepare it, the tradeoffs between various methods of holding the work on the lathe, how to support the thin sections wood while turning (I don’t use a steady rest), some tools I use and why, lathe speed, and more. Some are techniques I developed as I learned. I have turned 100s of the wands over the years as well as other spindles such as conductors batons. I mostly give these (and other turnings) away but I have accidentally made a few thousand $$ without trying.

While writing this document, I followed every step to make sure I didn’t leave anything out, and made a wand from start to finish. At the recent demo I passed that wand around - I included a photo of it at the bottom of page 23.

If these techniques interest someone, enjoy!

BTW, my primary tool for thin spindles is the skew chisel and was surprised to learn how few people use the skew - some have had a bad experience and started using it only for scraping. Some were warned by “experts” to stay away from the evil skew. To combat this, I start all beginners with the skew, even if they have never seen a lathe before. So far this has always been successful with the method I developed - to date I have never had a student get a catch while learning! And I have occasionally taught remedial skew lessons to old-timers. Good clean fun!

As always, suggestions and corrections for a future update are welcome.

JKJ
Thank you for Sharing this detailed account! Very much appreciate the effort.
 
This document shows the tools and methods I use to hold, shape, and successfully finish a thin spindle. I wrote this update for a recent club demo.

As spindles get long and thin, there are challenges to turn them successfully. My demos use “magic” wands to show the techniques but they apply to many types of thin spindles. I always take some long examples, a couple of tapered shafts that go from about 1/2” diameter down to 1/16” diameter in more than 24” - one I turned from a piece of shelving pine board from Home Depot.

Some things covered here are about the wood itself and how to prepare it, the tradeoffs between various methods of holding the work on the lathe, how to support the thin sections wood while turning (I don’t use a steady rest), some tools I use and why, lathe speed, and more. Some are techniques I developed as I learned. I have turned 100s of the wands over the years as well as other spindles such as conductors batons. I mostly give these (and other turnings) away but I have accidentally made a few thousand $$ without trying.

While writing this document, I followed every step to make sure I didn’t leave anything out, and made a wand from start to finish. At the recent demo I passed that wand around - I included a photo of it at the bottom of page 23.

If these techniques interest someone, enjoy!

BTW, my primary tool for thin spindles is the skew chisel and was surprised to learn how few people use the skew - some have had a bad experience and started using it only for scraping. Some were warned by “experts” to stay away from the evil skew. To combat this, I start all beginners with the skew, even if they have never seen a lathe before. So far this has always been successful with the method I developed - to date I have never had a student get a catch while learning! And I have occasionally taught remedial skew lessons to old-timers. Good clean fun!

As always, suggestions and corrections for a future update are welcome.

JKJ


This document shows the tools and methods I use to hold, shape, and successfully finish a thin spindle. I wrote this update for a recent club demo.

As spindles get long and thin, there are challenges to turn them successfully. My demos use “magic” wands to show the techniques but they apply to many types of thin spindles. I always take some long examples, a couple of tapered shafts that go from about 1/2” diameter down to 1/16” diameter in more than 24” - one I turned from a piece of shelving pine board from Home Depot.

Some things covered here are about the wood itself and how to prepare it, the tradeoffs between various methods of holding the work on the lathe, how to support the thin sections wood while turning (I don’t use a steady rest), some tools I use and why, lathe speed, and more. Some are techniques I developed as I learned. I have turned 100s of the wands over the years as well as other spindles such as conductors batons. I mostly give these (and other turnings) away but I have accidentally made a few thousand $$ without trying.

While writing this document, I followed every step to make sure I didn’t leave anything out, and made a wand from start to finish. At the recent demo I passed that wand around - I included a photo of it at the bottom of page 23.

If these techniques interest someone, enjoy!

BTW, my primary tool for thin spindles is the skew chisel and was surprised to learn how few people use the skew - some have had a bad experience and started using it only for scraping. Some were warned by “experts” to stay away from the evil skew. To combat this, I start all beginners with the skew, even if they have never seen a lathe before. So far this has always been successful with the method I developed - to date I have never had a student get a catch while learning! And I have occasionally taught remedial skew lessons to old-timers. Good clean fun!

As always, suggestions and corrections for a future update are welcome.

JKJ
John, I am a bit late in running across your posting, but would like to refer all to an article that I posted in this forum on July 31, 2016 that compares the various mounting methods for slender rods. Dennis
 
John, I am a bit late in running across your posting, but would like to refer all to an article that I posted in this forum on July 31, 2016 that compares the various mounting methods for slender rods. Dennis

I’d like to take a look (if I can figure out how to find it).

The doc I posted was an rewrite for a demo in 2024. I developed the method I use before the last few Harry Potter books were released (when I set up a lathe and turned wands in front of the bookstore in Knoxville) and wrote the first document later. My first version was pretty bad! I later got some professional documentation help from Frank Penta and revised it a few times. I think my docs are much improved (thanks to Frank!)

Thin spindles are one of my favorite things to turn and teach - a guy is coming in a few days to learn how to make a conductors baton. more complicated but easier to turn. I do see some use for other techniques I’ve read about but I’m quite happy with the simple method I use. Almost everything I do is tapered which changes some parameters.

JKJ
 
I’d like to take a look (if I can figure out how to find it).

The doc I posted was an rewrite for a demo in 2024. I developed the method I use before the last few Harry Potter books were released (when I set up a lathe and turned wands in front of the bookstore in Knoxville) and wrote the first document later. My first version was pretty bad! I later got some professional documentation help from Frank Penta and revised it a few times. I think my docs are much improved (thanks to Frank!)

Thin spindles are one of my favorite things to turn and teach - a guy is coming in a few days to learn how to make a conductors baton. more complicated but easier to turn. I do see some use for other techniques I’ve read about but I’m quite happy with the simple method I use. Almost everything I do is tapered which changes some parameters.

JKJ
Look again John; others recently found it. DJG
 
Look again John; others recently found it. DJG

Oh, I found it ok with a search. Here’s a link so others who are interested can skip the search:

 
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