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Aligning Table Saw Sled Fence - Five Cut Method

Ok....back to this thing. I am pretty sure I've dialed in my fence to about three thousandths (0.003"). I am not sure if it will stick. There seems to be something that keeps throwing it out. But right now, I am pretty sure its aligned well enough, that I should be able to cut a strait piece of wood with 45 degree cuts an put 'em back together to make a frame, without any error in the miters.

I've tried to make myself a 45 degree setup triangle from some MDF. I used a tip I've seen in multiple places, to cut two perfect squares, then cut a large square of MDF. Align the two perfect squares along one edge of the larger piece at the corner, tape the second down, remove the first, and with the corner of the larger piece and the corner of the perfect square touching the fence, cut through the larger piece. This then, should give you a setup triangle. I've done this multiple times...every time I use my combination square to check it...its very close, bit it is NOT perfect. Most people seem to pull their combo square into the corners, and I can do the same thing, and it looks perfect. But if I press the angle piece to one strait edge, then carefully move the ruler piece to the other, the moment one part of the ruler touches, the rest will not. So, there is clearly some error there.

When I try to cut a test frame, the miters are not good. Heck, even after the first cut, if I flip it and align the just-cut edge to the fence, and check the strait edge against my triangle, its clearly off...and at the opposite end of the triangle (I'd say its 8" or so) its wildly off!

So, I don't trust this little "trick" to create a triangle. I am honestly not sure what else I can do here, to set up pieces of wood to cut them at angles. I really only need 30, 45, 60 and 90, I think. Problem is, all framing squares have that darn flange along one edge, so you can butt it up against another edge. Those squares don't work on the table saw. I have tried searching for "flat setup square for table saw" and a variety of variations of that, and come up with nothing (or rather, only come up with miter gauges or other things that work in the miter slots of the saw themselves, nothing that would work as a setup square on a sled). Is there a name for a square, that you use to set up various angles for cuts on a table saw SLED? Something pre-cut and guaranteed to be correct? I'm about at wits end with this darn sled.

I am not even trying to do segments, I'll use a wedgie sled for that. I just want to be able to cut accurate miters so I can start crafting boxes. Seems like this would be simple and strait forward, but holy hell, what a frickin nitemare...
 
Use drafting triangles if those are the only angles you need. You can also get 15 degrees with a 45 degree and a 30 60 degree set.
 
About as accurate as you can get. Certainly more accurate than framing square.
I actually just found a set of stainless steel 45 and 30/60 triangles, with a nice felted box, for under $20. A few purchasers had them checked, and they are accurate to 0.001° which, is certainly more accurate than anything I've crafted. :P

I found some Ludwig pro drafting triangles. They are around $18 each for 10" size triangles, so a 30/60 and a 45 would be about double this other set. If this other set doesn't work out, I'll get the Ludwig.
 
I'm not sure what you are calling a framing square...none of my framing squares have any sort of flange. I think you may be referring to a "speed-square" instead. My collection of framing squares ranges from a pretty rough one that I use for welding projects all the way to an extremely well-tuned Stanley Sweetheart.

As for cutting 45-degree miters, making a dedicated sled is my preference...and leave it set. Here are a few images of mine. Once tuned, there is virtually no error; and they stay like that...ready to go anytime needed.

miter sled.JPGsplit reverse miter sled.JPG

Tim
 
@Tim Hunter Hey Tim, you are correct. I meant quick square. I've had about six different squares and triangles out here, trying to get a proper miter.

Even with a dedicated sled... What do you use to get everything set to 45 degrees in the first place? I have one quick square that was never used for construction, that is not dinged up and I think might be a true 45 degrees... I did also just order that set, which don't have the flange like the quick square.
 
Problem is, all framing squares have that darn flange along one edge, so you can butt it up against another edge. Those squares don't work on the table saw. I have tried searching for "flat setup square for table saw" and a variety of variations of that, and come up with nothing (or rather, only come up with miter gauges or other things that work in the miter slots of the saw themselves, nothing that would work as a setup square on a sled). Is there a name for a square, that you use to set up various angles for cuts on a table saw SLED? Something pre-cut and guaranteed to be correct? I'm about at wits end with this darn sled.
What Tim said. Speed squares are for rough construction. An American framing square is flat, without flanges, usually about .1" thick with a 2" x 24" blade and 1 1/2" x 16" tongue and as accurate as the manufacturer or user has the desire and discipline to make it. A proper framing square is inscribed with rafter tables and is a wormhole into stereotomy Chappell square / stereotomy. A good adjustable square may be accurate but is too small for what you are trying to do.

For dedicated angles, make a dedicated sled like the ones Tim pictured. Drafting triangles are pretty darned accurate but you won't likely find them spec'd for precision. Machinist grade triangles are nice to have for making sleds if they are big enough. You can have large accurate reference triangles made by a cnc router shop. In any case you may still have to fine tune your fences by trial and error.
 
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