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Dust right vs dust deputy

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The problem I am trying to solve is chips clogging the intake of my HF dust collector. I have a good filter and Thein baffle installed, so it does a good job of cleaning the air and the filter hardly ever needs cleaning.

From what I have read, the dust deputy does a much better job of separating fine dust, but I don’t care about fines. I’m more concerned about low pressure drop. Dust deputy is much more expensive, but I’d be willing to spend the extra if it has lower pressure drop than the dust right. Problem is, I can’t find any info on pressure drop for either of these.

Can anyone comment on how much pressure drop for either system?
 
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I have a 1.5 hp dust collector attached to a Super Dust Deputy (5" inlet, 6" to dust collector). On the outlet of the collector I have a 1 micron canister filter.
This setup works really well at removing the big stuff which drops into a metal trash can. There is some fine particulate which I clean from the filter every few months.
I also have a Dust Deputy for my Shopvac which is pretty darn good at removing the fines so the filter doesn't clog so often on the ShopVac
For my money, Oneida is the way to go.
If you want specifics, I'd call Oneida they are very helpful folks.
 
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I have the 1-1/2hp HF dc with canister filter, and a thien baffle. I use it for dust, not chips, when turning.

A few months ago I saw a video (cant find it), I think it was Stumpy Nubbs, on utube using a 5 gal bucket at the bottom of the plastic catch bag. Its a certain type of bucket/ lid combo, that has a rim. Cut open the bottom of the bag, stuff the bag through the rim, and into the bucket. Use 4 small f type clamps to clamp the rim to the bucket. Take the thien baffle out of the system, go directly to the blower suction.

Probably a 20-25% flow improvement. The 5 gal bucket only gets dust in it unless I choose to clean up some chips. To empty, just pull the clamps of the bucket rim. No need to undo the pita bag clamp. Works great for dust. When I run the planer I put the thien baffle back in to catch the chips.
 
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I have the 1-1/2hp HF dc with canister filter, and a thien baffle. I use it for dust, not chips, when turning.

A few months ago I saw a video (cant find it), I think it was Stumpy Nubbs, on utube using a 5 gal bucket at the bottom of the plastic catch bag. Its a certain type of bucket/ lid combo, that has a rim. Cut open the bottom of the bag, stuff the bag through the rim, and into the bucket. Use 4 small f type clamps to clamp the rim to the bucket. Take the thien baffle out of the system, go directly to the blower suction.

Probably a 20-25% flow improvement. The 5 gal bucket only gets dust in it unless I choose to clean up some chips. To empty, just pull the clamps of the bucket rim. No need to undo the pita bag clamp. Works great for dust. When I run the planer I put the thien baffle back in to catch the chips.
I think those are called Gamma lids. The fit onto a 5-gal bucket and have a centre part that unscrews.
 
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Another vote for Oneida Super Dust Deputy. Does a fantastic job even with a 10yr old 1/3hp DustRight collector.
 
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No matter what you turn you do produce dust. Look in the sunshine in the window. I have a home made cyclone followed by the super DD and it actually increased my suction
I single turn a lot of green soft maple, and I don't have a window. But I have no idea how I would make dust when the wood is throwing water at me and the curls are coming off about 1' long. I do have a dust collection duct when I sand them, but I said for curls which is what the OP is having trouble with.
 
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I turned a wet arbutus/madrone bowl two nights ago and I agree with @Richard Coers there is zero dust in that situation. But last night I turned a bowl from dry cherry and I could see a cloud of chips and dust under the bright light over my lathe. I immediately turned on my collector and donned my dust mask.
 
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I’m hoping to hear from someone who has the dust right separator. It’s about 1/5 the cost of the DD.

Richard
I scoop up most of the chips into a leaf bag as I go, but suck up the rest that are mixed with dust.

I’m also hoping to get some noise reduction. I wrap the dust collector with a movers blanket, and added a cardboard muffler inside the filter. Most of the noise now comes from the end of the hose.
 
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With wet wood, I agree with Richard. I just wear my regular face shield. With dry wood I wear my respirator. I don’t use my dust collector when turning. I use it when sanding. I built a Thien baffle and it is effective in separating the chips, but not the fines. There will be some pressure drop with any system. However it is the fines in the filter that create the most pressure drop. A cyclone will separate the chips and fines. I bought (what I call) the Ebay cyclone from easrcaroga and it works extremely well. I am in a rural area and I vent outside. So I don’t have any pressure drop due to filters being clogged. A cyclone is a tremendous improvement over a Thien baffle.

You can. search Ebay for cyclone and find his cyclones. I don’t know how his price compares to the commercial ones. I had a 3hp Jet DC that I used to build my system with his large cyclone.
 
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No matter what you turn you do produce dust. Look in the sunshine in the window. I have a home made cyclone followed by the super DD and it actually increased my suction

I single turn a lot of green soft maple, and I don't have a window. But I have no idea how I would make dust when the wood is throwing water at me and the curls are coming off about 1' long. I do have a dust collection duct when I sand them, but I said for curls which is what the OP is having trouble with.

I turned a wet arbutus/madrone bowl two nights ago and I agree with @Richard Coers there is zero dust in that situation. But last night I turned a bowl from dry cherry and I could see a cloud of chips and dust under the bright light over my lathe. I immediately turned on my collector and donned my dust mask.

It isn't the dust you can SEE that is the problem - It is the dust you CAN'T see that kills you. Even turning green, you still got the outside and bark to cut through, (for natural edge anyways, if you're one of those that bandsaws their wet wood to round and flat disks otherwise) and the extra fines (that you often cannot even see) can dry out while airborne.

When you wipe off your face shield after a wet wood turning session, perhaps you notice your towel comes away quite dirty, right? that's the fines suspended in moisture (supposedly - who is to say it isn't just the fine dust that settled ONTO the water that was already thrown off?) But as noted, just because you can't SEE dust does not mean there isn't any.

As far as the O.P. goes, I just used a cheap pair of 4 inch elbows designed for the purpose and a 35 gallon plastic drum to build my own cyclone. had to buy a drum either way, so that kit I got on amazon was far cheaper than any dust deputy or knockoff.. Linked here: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B074Y7F5QH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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As far as the O.P. goes, I just used a cheap pair of 4 inch elbows designed for the purpose and a 35 gallon plastic drum to build my own cyclone. had to buy a drum either way, so that kit I got on amazon was far cheaper than any dust deputy or knockoff..


That looks like the dust right kit, but a little cheaper. Did you notice much flow loss when you started using it?
 

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The problem I am trying to solve is chips clogging the intake of my HF dust collector. I have a good filter and Thein baffle installed, so it does a good job of cleaning the air and the filter hardly ever needs cleaning.
I don't have a cyclone or DD type attachment on my dust collector (1986). Not sure if I understand your question. To keep the curls & chips from clogging my filter bags or impeller I just installed a piece of 1/2" hardware cloth over my intake. Some aluminum channel (2 sides & bottom) holds it in place. Just use your hand to pull/swipe the curls away or lift to remove and shake them off. Even when it looks covered the finer dust still gets sucked up. Maybe something like this will work in your situation. No air flow loss.
 

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I don't have a cyclone or DD type attachment on my dust collector (1986). Not sure if I understand your question. To keep the curls & chips from clogging my filter bags or impeller I just installed a piece of 1/2" hardware cloth over my intake. Some aluminum channel (2 sides & bottom) holds it in place. Just use your hand to pull/swipe the curls away or lift to remove and shake them off. Even when it looks covered the finer dust still gets sucked up. Maybe something like this will work in your situation. No air flow loss.
Looks a low easier to clean that way than pulling the hose at the impeller!
 
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There used to be a couple of different plastic lids that would separate chips from dust, and they went on 30 gallon, I think, trash cans. This is the poor man's cyclone. It is an essential part of any shop. No matter the source of chips, if they go straight through the impellor, you get clog ups. Additional benefit of a cyclone is that those unintended chunks that get sucked up won't bend the impellor blades. Having a pleated paper filter is essential too. They now filter down to 0.5 microns, and maybe even lower. I use my DC when sanding most of the time, but also for the table saw, drum sander, planer, chop saw, jointer, router table, and morticer. The paper filters also offer several times the surface area for the DC to exhaust through, and are far better than the old cloth bags.

My central DC is from Oneida also. Best out there. Clear View is another set up that people like.

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Do you have a link to the dust right that's cheaper then the super dust deputy? The only one I can find is made for a shop vac unless i am missing something. The ports on the one I found are 2 1/4 inches that's not big enough for either of the hf dust collectors. I used a thien baffle for awhile in front of my dust collector. Once I switched to a super dust deputy the volume of air it pulled went up a lot and I get almost no dust out of the exhaust. I place my intake above my turnings to limit the chips I suck up.
 
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My dust collector is a 2HP from Grizzly. I used the garbage can chip separator, but it was grossly inefficient. I built a plywood box that is 2' x 3' x 3&1/2' and sealed all joints. The entire collector unit sits on top of the box. One end of the box has a cleanout door. The collector "pulls" through the box and only saw dust and sanding dust actually goes through the impellor. Picture is below.
 

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Do you have a link to the dust right that's cheaper then the super dust deputy? The only one I can find is made for a shop vac unless i am missing something. The ports on the one I found are 2 1/4 inches that's not big enough for either of the hf dust collectors. I used a thien baffle for awhile in front of my dust collector. Once I switched to a super dust deputy the volume of air it pulled went up a lot and I get almost no dust out of the exhaust. I place my intake above my turnings to limit the chips I suck up.

The one I’m referring to is similar to the link Brian posted. Just a couple of4”elbows and ports to add to your. drum. I’m sure the DD does a much better job on fines, but I just want to separate the big pieces.
 
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The one I’m referring to is similar to the link Brian posted. Just a couple of4”elbows and ports to add to your. drum. I’m sure the DD does a much better job on fines, but I just want to separate the big pieces.
Missed that link. I think you will get similar suction drops to a thien baffle with that setup. The cyclone drops everything out of it not just dust. I just don't get many chips with the way I position my intake. I would rather them fall on the floor then make me have to go out to my dust collector room more often to empty the bin. Some weeks I dump multiple 40 gallon trash cans from what I sweep up off the floor.
 
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I have been there. I had the Rocker version and built a Thien baffle. The Thien baffle was more efficient IMO. It is not the chips that will cause your pressure drop. It is the fine dust that gets trapped in the filter. None of the trash can types will address that, I would recommend a cyclone. The one I bought off Ebay works very well. I am sure the commercial ones work well, but cost much more. I am in a rural area and can exhaust outside, so I don’t need a filter. There is very little that escapes a cyclone and I run. a drum sander.
 
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Sounds like the cyclone is the way to go. I was hoping to save some $ with the trash can thing.

Tom- the screen over the intake is a great idea. I will do that until I’m ready to buy a cyclone.
 
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There are some videos on You Tube that show you how to make your own cyclone. Me, I didn't want to spend the time. The trash can lid things do work. I will never forget sucking up about a 2 inch diameter sphere. It ran around the inside of the cyclone cone for a long time before it hit the dust bin....

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There are some videos on You Tube that show you how to make your own cyclone. Me, I didn't want to spend the time. The trash can lid things do work. I will never forget sucking up about a 2 inch diameter sphere. It ran around the inside of the cyclone cone for a long time before it hit the dust bin....

robo hippy
I don’t want to spend the time building one either. I’d rather be turning.
 
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I’m hoping to hear from someone who has the dust right separator. It’s about 1/5 the cost of the DD.

Richard
I scoop up most of the chips into a leaf bag as I go, but suck up the rest that are mixed with dust.

I’m also hoping to get some noise reduction. I wrap the dust collector with a movers blanket, and added a cardboard muffler inside the filter. Most of the noise now comes from the end of the hose.
I have the dust right hooked up to my Ridgid shop vac. I have been doing a lot of planning, vacuuming after turning and cleaned out my bandsaw. I have emptied it 6 or 7 times and the only thing that got through to my vac was very little dust and a paper towel. The filter is still clean. I was amazed how well it works. When I ever get a dust collector I will add the Oneida super DD to it.
 
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Mike, give Oneida a call and tell them what you want. They probably have the biggest variety of DC systems out there, and would sell you 'parts'....

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