Odie does your tail stock ever get used during your bowl turning process?
@Odie what became of your Woodfast? Or rather, what will become if your Woodfast?
Odie does your tail stock ever get used during your bowl turning process?
This thread has taken on a life of its own Odie.Howdy Steve......
I have taken a deposit on the Woodfast lathe and expect the buyer to be here to pick it up sometime next month.
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Only occasionally.
Usually only when extreme out-of-balance conditions require it.
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I understand your pain with the toolrest lock handle, Odie, but I feel the need to balance the scale for the general readership.
Since 2001 until today, I've had the Papa Vicmac VL300, Mama VL200 (which remains with me), and Baby VL100 in my shop, and never once have I had issues with the toolrest locking handles on any of them (all similar to yours). I don't mean to be contrary to your likes, needs, and wishes, but I just don't want potential future users to feel that there is an inherent problem with the design that may sway them away from the machine.
To put it in perspective, the front-mounted toolrest lock handle on my Oneway 1224 (common design to their larger lathes) is well regarded by just about everyone, yet I didn't like it at all and I changed it to something else (, a ratchet-style lock handle, I have a whole thread on this that can be searched here). I don't fault Oneway, and I don't feel it is inferior or defective, it's just my personal preference.
This thread is proof positive that you demand the highest level of performance from all of your machinery, and that you'll fiddle and tweak until you've gotten something to be where you expect it to be. An admirable effort, and it shows in your work. But to balance what we watch you do to make them your own, Vicmarc is building some of the finest non-CNC woodturning machinery on the planet, and as far as I'm concerned, objectively speaking, held on the same podium as the equally high quality Oneway and Robust lathes.
But thank you for explaining the issues you have, and how you get around them. These will be meaningful to someone at some time, I'm sure.
@Odie, a couple times over the years I've had oddball questions to ask Vicmarc so I'd send an email. Prompt responses from knowledgable folk were always the norm. I bet they'd be back to you about all of your thoughts and impressions. Drop them a line. Heck, send them a link to this thread.
Odie, could you experiment with Robust and/or Oneway banjos to see if one of them would meet your needs now? Brent English at Robust is very helpful. You might want to talk to him. So happy to hear that your back problems have been reduced by your new Vicmarc 240.I'd like to see some improvements to the VL240,

What I NEED is a long dogleg banjo. The Vicmarc banjo is perfect, except for the toolpost grub screw style of locking the tool post.....and that absurdly long locking handle.
Interesting idea Jeff...never seen one before, appreciate you posting it.Odie - have you looked at the Robust Dogleg? I find it useful when I need to use a short (4 - 6") toolrest on my Robust AB. Might solve your problem? I actually bought it years ago when I first got my AB and had several Robust tool rests with a short post (from my previous lathe). Found it useful to get a very short tool rest into some positions.
One truism I learned years ago Odie...take the most well thought out designed machine and a thousand experts will say it's perfect. Have one novice work on it for ten minutes and that person will find the one fatal mistake everyone else missed. The best laid plans and all that I guess. Personally...I love everything there is about my AB with the one lone exception of a RPM read-out. I'm learning to live without it but it still leaves me scratching my head why it isn't there?OK thanks.....
Larry sez: "Odie, could you experiment with Robust and/or Oneway banjos to see if one of them would meet your needs now? Brent English at Robust is very helpful. You might want to talk to him. So happy to hear that your back problems have been reduced by your new Vicmarc 240."
What I NEED is a long dogleg banjo. The Vicmarc banjo is perfect, except for the toolpost grub screw style of locking the tool post.....and that absurdly long locking handle.
Matter of fact, I did check out the Robust and Oneway banjos. The last time I checked, neither outfit has exactly what is needed. The long Sweet 16 banjo is long enough, but not a dogleg configuration. The short sweet 16 banjo that I have now is a dogleg style.....but, isn't long enough to use on the Vicmarc VL240 with the headstock swiveled. The Oneway banjos aren't dogleg either. If either of these manufactures wanted to produce what I need, they'd have to return to casting of the basic banjo......I don't think they'd be willing to do that.
For the time being, I believe I'll just use the Vicmarc banjo....and permanently scrap that original locking lever, in favor of the short bolt and wrench I've been using lately...
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RPM meter. Nice to know? Yep. Necessity? Well...
Yep, Robust should at least have an option for one. Would not be that difficult to add one. Another option is to “tach the marks” either ballpark the way @Steve Tiedman does, or get a cheap optical tach from amazon - you just put reflective tape on the spindle or chuck etc, point the tach at it and get the rpm, make a cheat sheet for rpm at various marks on the speed control until you memorize them. If you want to add a digital or analog meter it would not be difficult.I love everything there is about my AB with the one lone exception of a RPM read-out. I'm learning to live without it but it still leaves me scratching my head why it isn't there?
Well, I don't think the speed knob itself (or gas pedal) can be considered a tachometer. Maybe the numbers around the knob in a loosely approximate sort of way, but even those aren't the meter in tachometer. But I know what you mean...Yep, Robust should at least have an option for one. Would not be that difficult to add one. Another option is to “tach the marks” either ballpark the way @Steve Tiedman does, or get a cheap optical tach from amazon - you just put reflective tape on the spindle or chuck etc, point the tach at it and get the rpm, make a cheat sheet for rpm at various marks on the speed control until you memorize them. If you want to add a digital or analog meter it would not be difficult.
Steve, and others who poo-poo tachs, do use a tach, though they probably won’t admit it - they relate rpm to speed dial markings - isn’t that an analog tach? That’s how my analog tachs work. I prefer to have an actual digital readout, this being the digital age and all, but a speed dial with markings works as an analog. My 1st lathe was a reeves drive, I used an optical tach to get the rpm at each of the adj handle stops, and plotted it on the dia vs surface speed chart hanging at the lathe. My current Nova does not have dial markings, so a readout on the machine is required.
Oh, I get it now, Odie. It's the perfect that you are forever in search of. I understand. Well, I won't interfere with that quest. Enjoy the journey along the way! May it be free of knots and splits and wood borers.Since I'm always searching for the "perfect cut"....an RPM readout is essential to my turning.
RPM is one component of the formula in searching for the perfect cut.....
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....an RPM readout is essential to my turning.
Agreed!I do understand the need for the perfect cut at a speed, but I don’t think a digital readout really gets me there. It is more of a feel. You set the speed and then tweak the rpm to find it.

Odie, if that stubby little remnant of a crescent wrench is all the length you need on the lock bolt, A) couldn't you weld a rod on the end of the bolt at your preferred angle, when it's tight?, or B) couldn't you find one of the adjustable/positionable locking bolts in the proper screw thread and handle length, as below?
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Yeah maybe not a tach, but a “cruise control”, once one knows the dial markings to rpm, and the drive system does control speed under varying load, it all operates just like one. The point is, folks with markings on the dial know what rpm they are at, not flying “blind” with nothing to relate to speed but “feel” (yes adj speed a bit to”smooth things out” applies to both). The whole debate over rpm readout or dial markings is nonsensical - both parties know where they are starting, and then fine tune.Well, I don't think the speed knob itself (or gas pedal) can be considered a tachometer. Maybe the numbers around the knob in a loosely approximate sort of way, but even those aren't the meter in tachometer. But I know what you mean...
What a simple and practical solution for quickly setting the tool rest at the correct height.
I always learn something here every time I read a thread.
Bob

@Odie, below is a blow up crop of your recent banjo photo. I think there is enough meat in the banjo casting above the banjo cam lock handle to have a machine shop (or you, if you're up to it) drill and tap a hole to move the tool rest lock to that new position. You may need to shorten the handle at the new position to clear the banjo profile above the cam lock. The steel adjustable handle I bought for my Oneway (not the zinc or plastic version) that I link in my message thread covering my story is beefy enough to be shortened a bit to work at that position. This position is where all Oneway banjos have the tool rest lock. I'd keep a bolt in the factory hole to keep debris out. Does this solve the issue for you?
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Hello Bob.....
I think you're referring to the hose clamps I have on all my tool rests. This allows me to quickly come to the right tool rest height by queuing the hose clamp to markings I have on the tool rest shaft.
As a residual benefit.....using the hose clamps means much less pressure is needed to secure the rest because the hose clamp secures the tool rest vertically. The banjo's method of securing the tool rest ONLY needs to secure it radially......and NOT vertically.
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Odie, with regard to your tool post clamping issue, until the latest helpful hints you've received regarding drilling and tapping a new hole; I never fully understood your issue with the OEM banjo; now I do.
I agree fully with you in this regard as the Vicmarc banjo is very well made, and with a tool post diameter of 30mm, rigid as anything and about the best I've ever used. But the placement of the locking lever does leave room for improvement.
Until I purchased my Revo 2436 lathe, I always considered the Vicmarc banjo the best I had ever used for rigidity. The Laguna Revo 2436 banjo is a brilliantly thought out design and is rock steady and locks down easier than any other banjo I've ever used. It is also the only other banjo that is as rigid as the Vicmarc units, that I have used that is.
The design feature I like the most is that it clamps the tool post along its length, assuring an unbelievable rock steady grip. A bonus for you is that it is designed for 25.4mm tool posts, the possible downside for you, is that it will not hold a 25mm tool post.
One of it's best features, is that you can position the locking bolt clamp on the front, or on the rear.
The height above the bed ways is 55mm to the top of the lettering, the length is 480mm.
Some food for thought.
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@Odie , Laguna makes an 18" swing (1836) lathe. The banjo looks like it may have the features you mention. Maybe not, but worth a glance anyway. The Woodcraft site has a lot of pictures.
That 1836 banjo toolrest clamp would be of concern for me, too.......@Odie I had the Laguna 18-36. I never had a problem with the banjo clamping. It basically squeezed the casting to clamp the tool rest. Some however did not like this banjo. Just curious if OneWay design make a banjo for the VL240. I’m sure pricy, but they are highly acclaimed. Likely would need to consider the gap between the ways. Also since you had the Robust and liked it was wondering if Robust made one similar for the VL240. Maybe discussed somewhere in this 8 page thread already, but I might have missed it. One last thing I love my Robust AB more than you love your Vicmarc.
THANKS for the suggestion...When I want to measure RPM on some device that doesn't have a sensor/readout I use an inexpensive optical tachometer. It came with reflective tape to put on a shaft.
www.amazon.com/dp/B004Q8L894
I have an uncalibrated speed dial on my milling machine so I used it to read the speed at different dial positions and wrote them on the dial. Could just make a diagram and keep it handy.
Don't use it much but it's handy on occasion.
My lathe (and previous lathes) have had the RPM displays. However, I rarely look at them unless someone asks what speed I'm turning. I guess I got used to the feel of the tools vs the sounds cues.
Could prob rig up one like described above to read and display the RPM either all the time or on demand, mounted with a bracket or maybe disassemble and separate the optical and readout components. I haven't checked, there may be other options available, maybe one with a magnetic sensor that could be mounted somewhere inside the headstock (like in other lathes). I put a different type on a gasoline engine but it monitored the spark plug; wouldn't work here.
JKJ
Hi Odie, with a 19 1/4" swing the VL240 is right between our banjos for our 16" Sweet 16 and the 25" American Beauty. We can cut down the American Beauty banjo to fit the VL240, and we do that for the PM 3520 (20" swing). We sell a lot of 16" banjos for the Laguna 1524 and 1836. As mentioned by others above, their clamping mechanism relies on pinching the cast iron, and it's very fussy about the exact size of the toolrest post. Our clamping mechanism tolerates a lot more variability. Here's a word-for-word quote from a recent customer:I hadn't thought of asking Brent if he'd make a banjo specifically for the VL240.....but, I suspect he wouldn't be interested in that either. If he did, he might lose some lathe sales.....because in my opinion, the VL240 is a more attractive lathe for us bowl turners, specifically because of the rotating headstock.